people must be upside down

Hello,
First of all I'm not a scientist, academic , mathematician, religious freak.
I just can't comprehend the world being round.
I understand gravity.
If I put pins into an apple for example, at any given time some of the pins are upside down (I understand that gravity is supposed to hold you down)  can anybody give a sensible answer please?
I know the photos from space show it to be round, but I just can't accept it.

Hello,
First of all I'm not a scientist, academic , mathematician, religious freak.
I just can't comprehend the world being round.
I understand gravity.
If I put pins into an apple for example, at any given time some of the pins are upside down (I understand that gravity is supposed to hold you down) 

Everything you've said seems in order and makes sense to me.  Could you be more specific as to what you're having trouble with?

The pins are only upside down based on your frame of reference.  If there was no you, no Earth and no gravity, only the apple and the pins the pins would have quite an argument deciding which of them was upside down.

Your feeling of something being upside down is based on your frame of reference where "down" feels like a direction towards the center of the Earth's mass, which is the direction gravity is pulling you.  For someone on the other side of the globe, down to them also feels like it would be towards the center of the Earth.  Gravity exerts a force which holds everyone against the Earth, no matter where on it they are standing.  The idea of a down is purely based on this frame of reference.

If you were looking at the Earth from a great distance, how would you determine what part of the Earth was upside down?  Imagine the Earth is flat and flying through space.  You are held against the Earth by the force of its acceleration.  Your frame of reference of down would be towards the ground because that is the direction you feel the force holding you.  If you were observing the disk from the side from a great distance, what would stop you from thinking the Earth was traveling sideways, or even down? 

What's up and what's down is all perspective based on your frame of reference.

Don't know if that helps at all.

upsidedown is correct. People would be upside down on a round Earth. A silly thought, to say the least.

Another FE victory.

Is it silly because it's wrong? or is it wrong because it's silly?

It's silly because it's Rushy

pictures from space do not show it is round. What you are seeing is the "lit" part of the earth.
because the sun is a sphere it casts a wide circle of light illuminating the earth. That is what pictures from space show.

Inb4: bendy light and Bob Bishop

pictures from space do not show it is round. What you are seeing is the "lit" part of the earth.
because the sun is a sphere it casts a wide circle of light illuminating the earth. That is what pictures from space show.

Wrong thread, I think.  I don't see anything about pictures from space before your post.

Anyway, upsidedown, there is nothing wrong with the pins under the apple being upside down, or people on the other side of the earth being "upside down."  If it's real, so be it.  If you find yourself uncomfortable with that idea, then you need to learn to be more flexible.  Some people can contemplate four dimensional geometry, making it possible for many to be comfortable with the idea of bent spacetime.  The concept of people being upside down relative to your reference frame is relatively simple.  Besides, if you can't see them, does it really matter what their relative orientation is?

 
I know the photos from space show it to be round, but I just can't accept it.
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No one has claimed such a thing in this thread, so why are you arguing a point that no one has brought up here?  Are you trying to divert the subject?

upsidedown is correct. People would be upside down on a round Earth. A silly thought, to say the least.

Another FE victory.

Well if any of you FE'ers actually understood relativity and special relativity like your wiki suggests, you would know that there is no "upside down" or "rightside up" in space.  According to FET the earth disk could be accelerating straight down and we are trapped upside down underneath it, and everything would still function the same way it currently does.

Seriously, think about it.  When you walk off a chair, is the earth coming up to meet you, or are you upside down and the earth is racing down to meet you?

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on June 02, 2012, 03:35:57 PM

upsidedown is correct. People would be upside down on a round Earth. A silly thought, to say the least.

Another FE victory.

Well if any of you FE'ers actually understood relativity and special relativity like your wiki suggests, you would know that there is no "upside down" or "rightside up" in space.  According to FET the earth disk could be accelerating straight down and we are trapped upside down underneath it, and everything would still function the same way it currently does.

Seriously, think about it.  When you walk off a chair, is the earth coming up to meet you, or are you upside down and the earth is racing down to meet you?

Obviously there is. If the Earth was round, everyone on this southern hemisphere of yours would either fall off the Earth or at the very least, the blood would rush to their head. It is basic logic.

Obviously there is. If the Earth was round, everyone on this southern hemisphere of yours would either fall off the Earth or at the very least, the blood would rush to their head. It is basic logic.

If this site is good for nothing else, at least it's good for a laugh.

Obviously there is. If the Earth was round, everyone on this southern hemisphere of yours would either fall off the Earth or at the very least, the blood would rush to their head. It is basic logic.

But wait, you don't believe in gravity. What would cause the blood to rush to their head?

You either believe in gravity or you don't. If you do, you would know that gravity would pull people in Australia to the center of mass (i.e. the center of the sphere) and thus the blood would be pulled to their feet, not their heads.

Some people are upside down relative to others on the globe.  How else could these observers disagree on the location of Jupiter's red spot?

Southern hemisphere
Southern hemisphere
Northern hemisphere?

You'll notice that these photos were taken by amateur astronomers just days apart from one another, in different locations around the globe.  China, the Dominican Republic, and France, to be specific.

Quote from: naysayer on June 03, 2012, 09:52:01 AM

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on June 02, 2012, 03:35:57 PM

upsidedown is correct. People would be upside down on a round Earth. A silly thought, to say the least.

Another FE victory.

Well if any of you FE'ers actually understood relativity and special relativity like your wiki suggests, you would know that there is no "upside down" or "rightside up" in space.  According to FET the earth disk could be accelerating straight down and we are trapped upside down underneath it, and everything would still function the same way it currently does.

Seriously, think about it.  When you walk off a chair, is the earth coming up to meet you, or are you upside down and the earth is racing down to meet you?

Obviously there is. If the Earth was round, everyone on this southern hemisphere of yours would either fall off the Earth or at the very least, the blood would rush to their head. It is basic logic.

This is flat earth thinking applied to the round earth model.  It is in fact completely illogical.

Obviously there is. If the Earth was round, everyone on this southern hemisphere of yours would either fall off the Earth or at the very least, the blood would rush to their head. It is basic logic.

No, this is a deliberate misrepresentation of the effects of RE gravity.

FEers have obviously never seen or used a magnet. Put simply, magnetism proves that it's possible for things to be stuck together by a force that a simpleton (like upsidedown, or any FEer for that matter) may be baffled by.
A slightly longer explanation would be that all atoms have certain forces: strong nuclear force (observable and obvious), weak nuclear force, electro-magnetic force (put some pins near a MAGNETIC METAL apple and they will stick just like people do to earth) and gravity (much weaker force per atom but the earth is mighty large).

Electromagnetism, unlike gravity, has been experimentally verified. The only experiment that "verifies" gravity involves putting large balls in a wooden box. Yeah, totally believable. Gravity is so silly that science had to put it in its own force category, like an ugly step child.

Electromagnetism, unlike gravity, has been experimentally verified. The only experiment that "verifies" gravity involves putting large balls in a wooden box. Yeah, totally believable. Gravity is so silly that science had to put it in its own force category, like an ugly step child.

If the earth is round, gravitation exists.  Nothing silly about that.

The only experiment that "verifies" gravity involves putting large balls in a wooden box.

  What experiment are you referring to?