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« on: April 18, 2012, 09:52:02 AM »
I'm just curious exactly what evidence you have that supports that NASA is a corrupt hoaxing organization that fakes videos just to mislead for no apparent reason. List out why they are corrupt/lie with specific valid arguments. Thanks
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Re: NASA
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 10:26:38 AM »
Actually, conspiracy discussion goes in FET general.
Or, if asking a question, Q&A.
But other than that; they don't.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 12:38:31 PM »
Try the wiki. Tom made an excellent page regarding it that, if read with an open mind, should be found quite enlightening.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 12:41:51 PM »
Apparently, only NASA is part of the conspiration, not the other agencies!
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Re: NASA
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 01:14:40 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!
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Re: NASA
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 01:18:55 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!

Yeah, but they only mention the NASA, always the NASA and exclusively the NASA!
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Re: NASA
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 03:17:09 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!

Yeah, but they only mention the NASA, always the NASA and exclusively the NASA!

That's because just about every other space agency cooperates or works with NASA, therefore they are all grouped together under the NASA umbrella.  It seems that as far as Tom is concerned, "NASA" is essentially synonymous with "any or all space agencies".
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Re: NASA
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 03:22:45 PM »
Still has to be proved...
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Re: NASA
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 05:03:13 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!

Yeah, but they only mention the NASA, always the NASA and exclusively the NASA!

That's because just about every other space agency cooperates or works with NASA, therefore they are all grouped together under the NASA umbrella.  It seems that as far as Tom is concerned, "NASA" is essentially synonymous with "any or all space agencies".
What about Russia's agencies?
That's one thing I never get about the Conspiracy...
Why is NASA in charge? Why not the USSR's program? All NASA did was get to the moon.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!

Yeah, but they only mention the NASA, always the NASA and exclusively the NASA!

That's because just about every other space agency cooperates or works with NASA, therefore they are all grouped together under the NASA umbrella.  It seems that as far as Tom is concerned, "NASA" is essentially synonymous with "any or all space agencies".
What about Russia's agencies?
That's one thing I never get about the Conspiracy...
Why is NASA in charge? Why not the USSR's program? All NASA did was get to the moon.
Actually, NASA didn't get to the Moon first. The Soviets landed probes and even returned samples before the USA. Except on the manned lunar missions, the USA really doesn't have much in the way of 'firsts'. So your point, given the Soviet, now Confederated, accomplishments, is a strong one.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 05:32:58 PM »
great post!
the faqqers cant even tell us just who is NASA...not to mention other space agencies..... 
True Zetetics believe in what they can see and prove...

A disc earth CAN exist w/o a massive conspiracy.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 06:27:25 PM »
The evidence is that the earth is flat, so there must be a conspiracy!
I find this statement very funny that because the earth is flat NASA is a lie. If NASA isn't a lie then this whole site is wrong so you use very circular logic here. The earth doesn't appear flat if you look at NASA photographs so actually this answer makes no sense at all because "the evidence" from NASA actually proves the earth is round. To prove the earth is flat, you must first establish that NASA is a hoax. However, it doesn't work the other way around because the earth being flat is predicated of NASA being a hoax. So basically what I'm saying is that you are just making this accusation to keep your theory consistent, every time your theory is disproven you just tweak some variable to make it work again. And because you have to prove the earth is flat first, then you can't use that as an internal reason to prove NASA is wrong.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2012, 06:31:53 PM by Locke »
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Re: NASA
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 06:50:49 PM »
By that logic I could disprove FEt right here. So, REt looks true. There might be a chance FEt is true. But because if I prove REt is true by ignoring the possibility of FEt, now, "the evidence" indicates the earth is round. And because the evidence supports it's round, FEt is clearly a hoax because I just proved the earth is round by ignoring evidence that is to the contrary (aka "proving" FEt  by ignoring NASA statements, actions and photographs and then saying because FEt is right, NASA is wrong). I used the same logic here as above and you can see how stupid it is.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 07:17:18 PM »
Why is NASA in charge? Why not the USSR's program?

If you look at multinational projects such as the ISS, you will notice that NASA generally takes the lead role.  Also, NASA tends to have a higher public profile than the Russian space agency.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 07:27:52 PM »
Why is NASA in charge? Why not the USSR's program?

If you look at multinational projects such as the ISS, you will notice that NASA generally takes the lead role.  Also, NASA tends to have a higher public profile than the Russian space agency.
But they didn't at the start.
Russia had got most the milestones long before NASA.
What, was NASA running those?

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Re: NASA
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 07:28:52 PM »
That is irrelevant. Even if NASA is the lead agency every other space agency and astronomy/astrophysics lab would have to be in on the conspiracy. I find that hard to believe for a number of reasons:
1st - They are scientists whose job it is to seek the truth not fabricate elaborate hoaxes
2nd - They have nothing to gain at all other than trolling the flat earthers
3rd - There is no way that thousands of scientists at NASA, ESA, JAXA, Russian space agency, Chinese space agency, and   every observatory in the world would lie about this so completely and well. I mean there is bound to be a leak
4th - You still have no evidence to support that NASA is a lie except for Cat Earth Theory's remark that I already responded to
« Last Edit: April 18, 2012, 07:31:08 PM by Locke »
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Re: NASA
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 08:28:43 PM »
Why is NASA in charge? Why not the USSR's program?

If you look at multinational projects such as the ISS, you will notice that NASA generally takes the lead role.  Also, NASA tends to have a higher public profile than the Russian space agency.
But they didn't at the start.
Russia had got most the milestones long before NASA.
What, was NASA running those?
The conspiracy leaders quietly run the various space agencies from behind the scenes.  NASA is just the most visible member so they are the space agency that people think of when they think of space agencies.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 09:41:31 PM »
I'm still not sure how this is relevant. I mean if NASA leads others or doesn't is neither hear nor there but unless you can prove they are leading a conspiracy it is pointless to argue how they are viewed by other agencies at least in the framework of a debate about a NASA conspiracy theory.
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Re: NASA
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2012, 10:14:35 PM »
I'm still not sure how this is relevant. I mean if NASA leads others or doesn't is neither hear nor there but unless you can prove they are leading a conspiracy it is pointless to argue how they are viewed by other agencies at least in the framework of a debate about a NASA conspiracy theory.

It is quite difficult to provide evidence for a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't be a very good conspiracy, now would it?

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Re: NASA
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2012, 10:19:05 PM »
Surely zeteticists, with their keen rational minds, wouldn't accept the extraordinary claim of a huge conspiracy without incontrovertible evidence of its existence?
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