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[Thevoiceofreason]

ok pretend you are a Zet doctor.

Answer either of the three cases, they are

CASE I
your patient has a frequent history of nose bleeds, and develops internal bleeding, what do you treat for if you cannot form the hypothesis that it is caused by _____,  the obvious choice.

CASE II

your female patients has three children that are not genetically related to her at all, yet you have overwhelming evidence that she they were all born naturally. She has had intercourse and carried the children to term on three separate occasions, all of which are verified by family, OBGYNS, the general practitioner, etc.

CASE III

your patient comes in with a strange symptom. he has been shot in the head, and he has uncontrollable laughter, and has passed out and is bleeding from his facial orifices. his home environment consists of a small plantation of marijuana and a cesspool beside it. his AC unit is also contaminated with bacteria, which tests to be Legionaires. Zets have reason to test this bacteria as well as Scientists, so the playing field is level. simultaneously, he gains cortical blindness and increased sensitivity to pain. one of the visiting family members (non related by blood) comes down with the initial symptoms, but rapidly progresses faster than the original patient...what the heck do Zets do? There are over 10 possibilities to test for, but not enough evidence to swing either way. They cannot create a hypothesis like the scientists, so wat do? solving for what type of substance/organism the cause might be will allow you to narrow the range well enough to test and treat within the time constraint.

[Saddam Hussein]

What in the world are you talking about?

[Lorddave]

Oh reason...

The people who follow Zeteticsim don't come here.  Those who do and say they follow zeteticsim are trolls or DAs.

[Thevoiceofreason]

What in the world are you talking about?

Simple. I'm trying to figure out how a Zeteticism matches with Science. Medicine is a proven science, but Zetetic thinkers say they are better. So I want to see how the two differ, and which one is a better system. And I want to show how the hypothesis can be useful

[General Disarray]

I meditated today and reached the conclusion that the cure for AIDS is large amounts of basil. Begin treatment immediately.

[Mrs. Peach]

Let us know how your treatments progress.  As an additional bonus, it might also be helpful to assess the beneficial effects, if any, of your meditations. If you were to compile data for oxygen consumption, EEG measurements, and heart rate before, during and after your meditations, it might prove most insightful.  Keep good, clear records and maybe multiple copies just in case the basil doesn't cure you. Wishing you well and good luck!

[General Disarray]

Let us know how your treatments progress.  As an additional bonus, it might also be helpful to assess the beneficial effects, if any, of your meditations. If you were to compile data for oxygen consumption, EEG measurements, and heart rate before, during and after your meditations, it might prove most insightful.  Keep good, clear records and maybe multiple copies just in case the basil doesn't cure you. Wishing you well and good luck!

That would be testing a hypothesis, which is against zetetic principles. It was revealed to me in a mystical experience that basil is the cure for AIDS, therefore it must be true.

[Mrs. Peach]

Let us know how your treatments progress.  As an additional bonus, it might also be helpful to assess the beneficial effects, if any, of your meditations. If you were to compile data for oxygen consumption, EEG measurements, and heart rate before, during and after your meditations, it might prove most insightful.  Keep good, clear records and maybe multiple copies just in case the basil doesn't cure you. Wishing you well and good luck!

That would be testing a hypothesis, which is against zetetic principles. It was revealed to me in a mystical experience that basil is the cure for AIDS, therefore it must be true.

You're missing the part of my post "if any."  We would not be starting with some initial theory.  We might be able to make a conclusion after the experimentation and observation data.  It would not be interest in the AIDS part of your theory but in the raw data of your mediation sessions.  Please reread my post, the 'added bonus' part.

[General Disarray]

I don't have the equipment to make the measurements you suggest, could you provide some funding so I might purchase them?

[Mrs. Peach]

Perhaps you have a friend who could count respiration and heart rate.

[General Disarray]

Perhaps you have a friend who could count respiration and heart rate.

None of my friends can count.

[Lorddave]

Perhaps you have a friend who could count respiration and heart rate.

None of my friends can count.

Then meet people OUTSIDE of this forum.

[General Disarray]

Perhaps you have a friend who could count respiration and heart rate.

None of my friends can count.

Then meet people OUTSIDE of this forum.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lorddave]

Perhaps you have a friend who could count respiration and heart rate.

None of my friends can count.

Then meet people OUTSIDE of this forum.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take what I can get.

[trig]

In the best Zetetic meditation I have ever seen (after Rowbotham's or Tom Bishop's "Earth seems flat"), it was clear that the Sun at dawn goes right ahead and crosses the horizon, without changing size, without changing speed, without twisting North.

Furthermore, I have firsthand knowledge that there are some six time zones between my home in South America and my siblings' homes in Europe. It is not just a man-made concoction, my siblings are at night and ready to go to sleep when I am in mid-afternoon.

Therefore, in the undeniable tradition of Zeteticism, I conclude that Earth is flat, that the Sun does not hover over Earth but really crosses the horizon and continues traveling down at dusk, and that my horizon is not Europe's horizon. And it is the Zetetic truth that the hovering Sun is hogwash.

[James]

ok pretend you are a Zet doctor.

Answer either of the three cases, they are

CASE I
your patient has a frequent history of nose bleeds, and develops internal bleeding, what do you treat for if you cannot form the hypothesis that is caused by HHT, the obvious choice.

In which part of their interior are they bleeding?

CASE II
your female patients has three children that are not genetically related to her at all, yet you have overwhelming evidence that she they were all born naturally. She has had intercourse and carried the children to term on three separate occasions, all of which are verified by family, OBGYNS, the general practitioner, etc.

What is this nature of this overwhelming evidence?

[Thevoiceofreason]

ok pretend you are a Zet doctor.

Answer either of the three cases, they are

CASE I
your patient has a frequent history of nose bleeds, and develops internal bleeding, what do you treat for if you cannot form the hypothesis that is caused by HHT, the obvious choice.

In which part of their interior are they bleeding?

CASE II
your female patients has three children that are not genetically related to her at all, yet you have overwhelming evidence that she they were all born naturally. She has had intercourse and carried the children to term on three separate occasions, all of which are verified by family, OBGYNS, the general practitioner, etc.

What is this nature of this overwhelming evidence?

CASE I, at the capillaries of the upper abdomen

CASE II, what do you mean by the nature. they have birth certificates, hospital and medical records, hospital staff witnesses, third party witnesses at the mother and fathers job. There financial and medical records show no indication that the pregnancies occurred do to in vitro fertilization or any other unnatural form of conception. In other words it is the closest you can get to proof that the couple had intercourse, conceived, and the mother had the baby. and yet DNA samples from the mother indicate a 0% match.

[Renkano]

Oh reason...

The people who follow Zeteticsim don't come here.  Those who do and say they follow zeteticsim are trolls or DAs.

How dare you undermine Zeteticsim with such outrageous claims, clearly you are not well versed in the logic of empirical reasoning. Open your eyes slave. You can only trust your own reasoning, based on your own sense's, I'm sure brother James will meditate hard and come up with not one, not two, not even three, but several successful hypothetical cures. I would; but I'm not as competent in the art of Zeteticsim, yet...

[Thevoiceofreason]

Oh reason...

The people who follow Zeteticsim don't come here.  Those who do and say they follow zeteticsim are trolls or DAs.

How dare you undermine Zeteticsim with such outrageous claims, clearly you are not well versed in the logic of empirical reasoning. Open your eyes slave. You can only trust your own reasoning, based on your own sense's, I'm sure brother James will meditate hard and come up with not one, not two, not even three, but several successful hypothetical cures. I would; but I'm not as competent in the art of Zeteticsim, yet...

So far he is yet to answer. But he is not allowed to come up with a hypothesis like in science.
he wouldn't assume that CASE I has ____ based on a hunch.

He won't be able to solve CASE II because all of the currently observable data is contradictory.

He won't be able to solve CASE III (which only needs the type of disease i.e. bacteria, parisite, protist, fungi, genetic, enviromental)
because he is not allowed to perform an assay for a specific one based on uncertain factors.

I'm here to answer any more symptoms they might have

[Lorddave]

Oh reason...

The people who follow Zeteticsim don't come here.  Those who do and say they follow zeteticsim are trolls or DAs.

How dare you undermine Zeteticsim with such outrageous claims, clearly you are not well versed in the logic of empirical reasoning. Open your eyes slave. You can only trust your own reasoning, based on your own sense's, I'm sure brother James will meditate hard and come up with not one, not two, not even three, but several successful hypothetical cures. I would; but I'm not as competent in the art of Zeteticsim, yet...

Your trolling is really bad dude.  What makes it bad is the transparency.  "Brother James"?  Pfft.  You've been here less than a day and you're idolizing James.  If that's not a transparent attempt to get on his good side, making you look like a devoted FEer, I don't know what is.