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« Reply #180 on: March 09, 2010, 07:16:22 AM »
Why didn't god save Loon-Loon?

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« Reply #181 on: March 09, 2010, 08:31:30 AM »
If you were really christian and god told you to rape, you should. I mean, he told that one guy to kill his son and nothing bad happened. You should try it.
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« Reply #182 on: March 09, 2010, 08:40:00 AM »
If God farted, would it be the loudest, deepest, longest most Earth-shattering foul-smelling and lingering gas explosion to ever have occured (the trifecta of: sound, smell and longevity-the perfect fart), or would it be completely silent and smell of the most wonderful things to have ever graced the olfactory senses of man?  Could all alike smell it, or only a certain group?

Their parents are dead. Back to you.

He's showing his love by challenging them, though not as much love as he showed the ones that died in the recent earthquakes, and even less than the ones that are orphans, abused and malnourished.
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« Reply #183 on: March 09, 2010, 08:41:14 AM »
Why would God make the universe expand?
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« Reply #184 on: March 09, 2010, 08:51:18 AM »

Their parents are dead. Back to you.

He's showing his love by challenging them, though not as much love as he showed the ones that died in the recent earthquakes, and even less than the ones that are orphans, abused and malnourished.
So god hates spoiled trust fund kids!  But wait... wouldn't he be showing the dead ones MORE love since he is bringing them up to heaven? Now... are the abused and malnourished more or less loved.. as they seem to be challenged more than just plain ol' orphans? Love is complex!

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« Reply #185 on: March 09, 2010, 08:52:38 AM »
I see no facts proving god doesnt hate orphans. You are a liar.

James 1:27:
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."

The burden of proof is on you to back up your claim that God hates orphans.

Their parents are dead. Back to you.

God didn't cause their parents to die.

So you actually believe that the entire world was flooded by rain water?

Yes, but it required divine intervention on a massive scale.

If you were really christian and god told you to rape, you should. I mean, he told that one guy to kill his son and nothing bad happened. You should try it.

I assume you are referring to the binding of Isaac. Allow me to put this context for you. Here is the end of the story:

Genesis 22:12
"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

I don't believe that God would ever demand sin from a Christian, because under the New Testament we are supposed to be a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), which is something that Abraham was unable to realize because his sins were never atoned for. God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to give up that which was most important to him, but when it came down to committing the act itself, God told him to stop. While we need to be willing to make the same scale of sacrifice as Abraham, God would not tell us to do something like this on his behalf today.
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« Reply #186 on: March 09, 2010, 08:55:43 AM »
Why would God make the universe expand?

I don't know.


Their parents are dead. Back to you.

He's showing his love by challenging them, though not as much love as he showed the ones that died in the recent earthquakes, and even less than the ones that are orphans, abused and malnourished.
So god hates spoiled trust fund kids!  But wait... wouldn't he be showing the dead ones MORE love since he is bringing them up to heaven? Now... are the abused and malnourished more or less loved.. as they seem to be challenged more than just plain ol' orphans? Love is complex!

You keep falling into the petitio principii fallacy. Please stop assuming the initial point. If you want a response, wait for it, then answer with your rebuttal.
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« Reply #187 on: March 09, 2010, 08:58:03 AM »
So god hates people of color and gays? Im confused.

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« Reply #188 on: March 09, 2010, 09:04:57 AM »
Why do you lack faith that god wouldn't make you sin by telling you to rape but not allowing you to follow through.

TBH I think these days demand tests of faith like that.
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« Reply #189 on: March 09, 2010, 09:06:36 AM »
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I assume you are referring to the binding of Isaac. Allow me to put this context for you. Here is the end of the story:

Genesis 22:12
"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

I don't believe that God would ever demand sin from a Christian, because under the New Testament we are supposed to be a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), which is something that Abraham was unable to realize because his sins were never atoned for. God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to give up that which was most important to him, but when it came down to committing the act itself, God told him to stop. While we need to be willing to make the same scale of sacrifice as Abraham, God would not tell us to do something like this on his behalf today.

That's a horrific story however you want to dress it up. If I burst into your house at night with a gun and tell you to tie down your son and kill him or I'll kill you and all your kids (It's not an unfair comparison, if he'd disobeyed God would have presumably sent him to hell and since there are many times in the OT where 'sins of the father' is valid, his children would go there as well) If you tearfully do it then I go 'nop, don't kill him, I've decided you're scared enough of me' then leave would this be anything but a monstrous act of terror?

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« Reply #190 on: March 09, 2010, 09:51:30 AM »
Does God's spunk make clouds?
Stop all this nonesense and bring on the lapdancers.
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« Reply #191 on: March 09, 2010, 09:56:18 AM »
If God farted, would it be the loudest, deepest, longest most Earth-shattering foul-smelling and lingering gas explosion to ever have occured (the trifecta of: sound, smell and longevity-the perfect fart), or would it be completely silent and smell of the most wonderful things to have ever graced the olfactory senses of man?  Could all alike smell it, or only a certain group?

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« Reply #192 on: March 09, 2010, 10:03:57 AM »


That's a horrific story however you want to dress it up. If I burst into your house at night with a gun and tell you to tie down your son and kill him or I'll kill you and all your kids (It's not an unfair comparison, if he'd disobeyed God would have presumably sent him to hell and since there are many times in the OT where 'sins of the father' is valid, his children would go there as well) If you tearfully do it then I go 'nop, don't kill him, I've decided you're scared enough of me' then leave would this be anything but a monstrous act of terror?
This times 10

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« Reply #193 on: March 09, 2010, 11:53:58 AM »
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I assume you are referring to the binding of Isaac. Allow me to put this context for you. Here is the end of the story:

Genesis 22:12
"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

I don't believe that God would ever demand sin from a Christian, because under the New Testament we are supposed to be a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), which is something that Abraham was unable to realize because his sins were never atoned for. God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to give up that which was most important to him, but when it came down to committing the act itself, God told him to stop. While we need to be willing to make the same scale of sacrifice as Abraham, God would not tell us to do something like this on his behalf today.

That's a horrific story however you want to dress it up. If I burst into your house at night with a gun and tell you to tie down your son and kill him or I'll kill you and all your kids (It's not an unfair comparison, if he'd disobeyed God would have presumably sent him to hell and since there are many times in the OT where 'sins of the father' is valid, his children would go there as well) If you tearfully do it then I go 'nop, don't kill him, I've decided you're scared enough of me' then leave would this be anything but a monstrous act of terror?

Yes, but I would assume that you are a madman. Abraham's relationship was with God, not some crazy guy bursting into his tent at night. The fact that his wife had borne him a son so late in their lives was indicative of God's intervention in his life, and the fulfillment of the promise that Abraham's descendants would be as numerable as the stars. When the Lord tested Abraham's devotion, he knew that God was the reason that Isaac was alive in the first place, and that despite what he thought was going to happen, that God would not go back on his promise.

On another note, what is the basis for your belief that had Abraham refused to kill Isaac, that God would have abandoned him and put him in hell? It would not have been the first time he had sinned, and the OT is up to its neck in prophets, judges, and kings who sinned against God but were forgiven later on.

So god hates people of color and gays? Im confused.

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Romans 5:6-8
"You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Why do you lack faith that god wouldn't make you sin by telling you to rape but not allowing you to follow through.

TBH I think these days demand tests of faith like that.

Because my relationship with God is one where he would not ask me to do this. Abraham's was different because he came before Christ. Abraham did not possess this same kind of relationship with God.

If God demanded that I rape somebody, I would know one of two things to be true:
1. The God I believe in is not real.
2. The voice I am hearing is the result of delusion.
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« Reply #194 on: March 09, 2010, 12:14:25 PM »
What's YHWH's position on homosexuality?

Staying away from Levitical law, the New Testament hints strongly that all sex outside of a heterosexual marriage is sinful. This includes homosexual intercourse (Matthew 19:1-12, 1 Corinthinans 6:9-10).

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

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Genesis 1 27: So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.


There seems to be conflicting info as to whethere or not homosexual sex is OK or not or any different from hetero sex.


Edit:  Are you stumped by the glory of the fart?
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« Reply #195 on: March 09, 2010, 12:31:48 PM »
Why did God need to sacrifice anything in order to forgive us for our sins? 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #196 on: March 09, 2010, 12:57:48 PM »
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Yes, but I would assume that you are a madman. Abraham's relationship was with God, not some crazy guy bursting into his tent at night. The fact that his wife had borne him a son so late in their lives was indicative of God's intervention in his life, and the fulfillment of the promise that Abraham's descendants would be as numerable as the stars. When the Lord tested Abraham's devotion, he knew that God was the reason that Isaac was alive in the first place, and that despite what he thought was going to happen, that God would not go back on his promise.

No justification. The fact that he was prepared to murder another human being on the say-so of God with no justification other than 'because I said so' is horrific.

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On another note, what is the basis for your belief that had Abraham refused to kill Isaac, that God would have abandoned him and put him in hell? It would not have been the first time he had sinned, and the OT is up to its neck in prophets, judges, and kings who sinned against God but were forgiven later on.

Ok, maybe not Hell but people who directly disobeyed God frequently ended up in less than pleasant states like (I think) Lot's wife who is turned to salt for simply looking at everything she knows being burned to the ground.


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« Reply #197 on: March 09, 2010, 01:22:32 PM »



So god hates people of color and gays? Im confused.

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Romans 5:6-8
"You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So god decides what sin is... and then tries to hold that sin over us... and wants us to be grateful he sent his son (or himself, and since he is alive, apparently, no one really died??? CONFUSING) to die for the sins... which he decided were sins?

Confusing. Explain it better.

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« Reply #198 on: March 09, 2010, 09:22:22 PM »
What's YHWH's position on homosexuality?

Staying away from Levitical law, the New Testament hints strongly that all sex outside of a heterosexual marriage is sinful. This includes homosexual intercourse (Matthew 19:1-12, 1 Corinthinans 6:9-10).

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

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Genesis 1 27: So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.


There seems to be conflicting info as to whethere or not homosexual sex is OK or not or any different from hetero sex.

The verses you quoted don't seem to deal with homosexual sex. Can you explain to me how you made this connection?

Why did God need to sacrifice anything in order to forgive us for our sins? 

He didn't have to, but because God wants to be in fellowship with us he poured out his wrath on Jesus in order for the divine standard of justice he established to be met. This is the essence of propitiation. Jesus Christ payed the penalty that was owed by mankind to God so that we could be his children again.

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Yes, but I would assume that you are a madman. Abraham's relationship was with God, not some crazy guy bursting into his tent at night. The fact that his wife had borne him a son so late in their lives was indicative of God's intervention in his life, and the fulfillment of the promise that Abraham's descendants would be as numerable as the stars. When the Lord tested Abraham's devotion, he knew that God was the reason that Isaac was alive in the first place, and that despite what he thought was going to happen, that God would not go back on his promise.

No justification. The fact that he was prepared to murder another human being on the say-so of God with no justification other than 'because I said so' is horrific.

This is something you and I are going to have to disagree on, at least we've reached a conclusion on the issue, even if it is just a realization of our different views. Perhaps it is horrific that Abraham was willing to kill his son Isaac, but let's not forget that God never intended for Isaac to be killed, and even ordered Abraham to desist at the eleventh hour.

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On another note, what is the basis for your belief that had Abraham refused to kill Isaac, that God would have abandoned him and put him in hell? It would not have been the first time he had sinned, and the OT is up to its neck in prophets, judges, and kings who sinned against God but were forgiven later on.

Ok, maybe not Hell but people who directly disobeyed God frequently ended up in less than pleasant states like (I think) Lot's wife who is turned to salt for simply looking at everything she knows being burned to the ground.

You are correct here, but I think with Abraham's example, given that he had sinned before and that God's promise had not yet been fulfilled through him, Abraham would not have died. I'd just as soon not speculate about the past though, and deal with the story as it is presented. Perhaps if Abraham had actually killed Isaac (since he had not sinned), I would doubt God's goodness.




So god hates people of color and gays? Im confused.

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Romans 5:6-8
"You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So god decides what sin is... and then tries to hold that sin over us... and wants us to be grateful he sent his son (or himself, and since he is alive, apparently, no one really died??? CONFUSING) to die for the sins... which he decided were sins?

Confusing. Explain it better.

I honestly don't know how to explain it more simply. Christianity is based on a few basic assumptions and the conclusions we can draw from them.

1. God is good and powerful.
2. Man was created to be a companion to God (Garden of Eden).
3. Man separated himself from God through his disobedience (eating the fruit).
4. Man could no longer be in fellowship with God because of the sin that existed in him.
5. The divine justice that God established demanded propitiation for that sin, if man was to be reconciled with him.
6. God decided to take on the form of a man (Jesus) and endure persecution and eventually death by crucifixion so that the sins of the world could be forgiven according to the standards upon which God created the universe (in other words, God was bound by his own established law).
7. By believing in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he speaks for us before the father and we are spared the wrath of his divine judgment. This is the essence of the gospel.
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« Reply #199 on: March 09, 2010, 09:29:48 PM »
Were angels given the same gift of free will as mankind?

They understood free will more than Adam did.

What does that mean and what are the implications of a better understanding of free will?  Also, the connection to angels given free will (or not) and their better understanding of it evades me.  Could you elaborate on that?

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« Reply #200 on: March 09, 2010, 10:14:55 PM »
Were angels given the same gift of free will as mankind?

They understood free will more than Adam did.

What does that mean and what are the implications of a better understanding of free will?  Also, the connection to angels given free will (or not) and their better understanding of it evades me.  Could you elaborate on that?

Adam only understood free will as far as it related to the fruit. This was the only means by which he could rebel from God; a simple act of disobedience. The Angels on the other hand obviously had a more complete understanding of free will because of the nature of their rebellion. Modern interpretations of the Bible teach that 1/3 of the angels rose in rebellion to God but were cast out of heaven with Satan by the remaining angelic forces under the command of the Archangel Michael. The implications were not that much different, as any act of disobedience from God separates said agent from God. However, salvation does not exist for angels as it does for man. Their decision to either follow God or rebel was complete and irreversible.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't answer one of your points (the part that I made bold). I would assume that when the angels rebelled they, including Satan, must have thought that they had a chance of success.
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« Reply #201 on: March 09, 2010, 11:01:45 PM »
What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us, just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home?
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« Reply #202 on: March 10, 2010, 02:11:07 AM »
Why doesn't Donald Duck wear any pants? And how does he get away with it?

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« Reply #203 on: March 10, 2010, 02:53:57 AM »



So god hates people of color and gays? Im confused.

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Romans 5:6-8
"You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So god decides what sin is... and then tries to hold that sin over us... and wants us to be grateful he sent his son (or himself, and since he is alive, apparently, no one really died??? CONFUSING) to die for the sins... which he decided were sins?

Confusing. Explain it better.

I honestly don't know how to explain it more simply. Christianity is based on a few basic assumptions and the conclusions we can draw from them.

1. God is good and powerful.
2. Man was created to be a companion to God (Garden of Eden).
3. Man separated himself from God through his disobedience (eating the fruit).
4. Man could no longer be in fellowship with God because of the sin that existed in him.
5. The divine justice that God established demanded propitiation for that sin, if man was to be reconciled with him.
6. God decided to take on the form of a man (Jesus) and endure persecution and eventually death by crucifixion so that the sins of the world could be forgiven according to the standards upon which God created the universe (in other words, God was bound by his own established law).
7. By believing in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he speaks for us before the father and we are spared the wrath of his divine judgment. This is the essence of the gospel.
So you guys are just making assumptions about god? isnt that.... Bad? Yah know? Assuming to know what god is thinking? Why didn't god just make himself a pet? why does god hate us so much? why is he all like... imma make you fail... and then after i make you fail... imma hold a grudge. then imma kill myself for you... and hold that against you also... even though i really didnt have to. i like playing the victim. Why does god like playing the victim?

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« Reply #204 on: March 10, 2010, 03:56:08 AM »
What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us, just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home?

Already asked.

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« Reply #205 on: March 10, 2010, 04:03:30 AM »
What if God was one of us, just a slob like one of us, just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home?

Already asked.
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« Reply #206 on: March 10, 2010, 04:03:36 AM »
What's YHWH's position on homosexuality?

Staying away from Levitical law, the New Testament hints strongly that all sex outside of a heterosexual marriage is sinful. This includes homosexual intercourse (Matthew 19:1-12, 1 Corinthinans 6:9-10).
No gay sex. (man on man/woman on woman)

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
There shall be no distinction made between man and woman; all are one in Christ.

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Genesis 1 27: So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.

There is in fact a distinction between man and woman.

There seems to be conflicting info as to whethere or not homosexual sex is OK or not or any different from hetero sex.

The verses you quoted don't seem to deal with homosexual sex. Can you explain to me how you made this connection?

If in fact all are one in Christ (man and woman looked upon as the same), how can a distinction be made between sex between two women and sex between a man and a woman?
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« Reply #207 on: March 10, 2010, 08:06:37 AM »
It really makes no sense to me that God would need to pour his wrath out on Jesus (Himself) in order to forgive us our sins. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #208 on: March 10, 2010, 08:31:12 AM »
It really makes no sense to me that God would need to pour his wrath out on Jesus (Himself) in order to forgive us our sins. 

Somebody needed to endure punishment for those sins if they were to be forgiven. God was bound by the standards of justice he created. I believe that when Jesus died, he had taken on all the sins of the world.

What's YHWH's position on homosexuality?

Staying away from Levitical law, the New Testament hints strongly that all sex outside of a heterosexual marriage is sinful. This includes homosexual intercourse (Matthew 19:1-12, 1 Corinthinans 6:9-10).
No gay sex. (man on man/woman on woman)

No. We're getting really good at this.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
There shall be no distinction made between man and woman; all are one in Christ.

Quote
Genesis 1 27: So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.

There is in fact a distinction between man and woman.

There seems to be conflicting info as to whethere or not homosexual sex is OK or not or any different from hetero sex.

The verses you quoted don't seem to deal with homosexual sex. Can you explain to me how you made this connection?

If in fact all are one in Christ (man and woman looked upon as the same), how can a distinction be made between sex between two women and sex between a man and a woman?

I interpret these verses to mean that God makes no distinction between our sex, our race, or our social status in how we are judged. The fact that we are all sinners saved by God's grace does not mean that, though we are equal, I can have sex with whomever I want.

So you guys are just making assumptions about god? isnt that.... Bad? Yah know? Assuming to know what god is thinking? Why didn't god just make himself a pet? why does god hate us so much? why is he all like... imma make you fail... and then after i make you fail... imma hold a grudge. then imma kill myself for you... and hold that against you also... even though i really didnt have to. i like playing the victim. Why does god like playing the victim?
1. No. My assumptions are based on scripture.
2. God didn't want a pet, he wanted a companion.
3. God doesn't hate us, refer to previous posts.
4. What do you mean by playing the victim? Your points lack continuity. Please clarify.
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Re: Ask a Christian anything.
« Reply #209 on: March 10, 2010, 08:48:42 AM »
For an all-powerful, omnipotent, perfect supernatural being, YHWH sure is bound by a lot of things.