What about...

...comets? Scientists can accurately predict when the Hale-Bopp comet will be visible from Earth, which will be in 2020. Is there an explanation for comets in FET? Or for meteors or any astral bodies falling to Earth for that matter, because in the FET, it explains that all astral bodies are affected by the UA. Why are meteors, asteroids, meteorites, etc. exempt from obeying the UA?

Comets orbit the Sun with a very long orbital period, just as they do in RET.

Using gravity I would assume. You tried to make a distinction between gravity and gravity effects or something of that nature before and it wasn't very clear. In a FAQ it says you don't use gravity in a flat earth model. What was it you used again for celestial bodies and how was it different from gravity in a round earth? I only ask bevause the gravity sticky has like 60 pages and I don't have time to read all of it. I'm trying but there is a lot.

Comets orbit the Sun with a very long orbital period, just as they do in RET.

But a comet orbiting around the sun implies that something is pulling the comet around the sun. What is this force if it is not gravity?

Quote from: Parsifal on February 08, 2010, 05:13:41 AM

Comets orbit the Sun with a very long orbital period, just as they do in RET.

But a comet orbiting around the sun implies that something is pulling the comet around the sun. What is this force if it is not gravity?

Gravitation exists. Gravity does not.

Quote from: But_I_Digress on February 08, 2010, 07:56:02 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on February 08, 2010, 05:13:41 AM

Comets orbit the Sun with a very long orbital period, just as they do in RET.

But a comet orbiting around the sun implies that something is pulling the comet around the sun. What is this force if it is not gravity?

Gravitation exists. Gravity does not.

What exactly is the difference?

What exactly is the difference?

Gravitation is an action word which is the result of any two bodies attracting. Plenty of things gravitate. Electrons around Protons. Socks after a dryer load. Magnets. Two lovers can also be said to "gravitate" to each other. Gravitation is just an action word for two or more attracting bodies.

Gravity, however, is a Newtonian force. It's a specific mechanism for Gravitation.

Quote from: But_I_Digress on February 08, 2010, 08:12:14 PM

What exactly is the difference?

Gravitation is an action word which is the result of any two bodies attracting. Plenty of things gravitate. Electrons around Protons. Socks after a dryer load. Magnets. Two lovers can also be said to "gravitate" to each other. Gravitation is just an action of two or more attracting bodies.

Gravity, however, is a Newtonian force. It's a specific mechanism for Gravitation.

So what force causes Hale-Boop to loop back every so often?

Prove gravity doesn't exist.

Prove gravity doesn't exist.

xD

Prove gravity doesn't exist.

How do you prove a negative? 

Quote from: 2fst4u on February 08, 2010, 09:24:18 PM

Prove gravity doesn't exist.

How do you prove a negative? 

ok then

Disprove gravity.

Disprove gravity.

There isn't anything to "prove" gravity in the first place.

It's a hypothesis. No one has discovered "gravitons" or "bendy space".

So you can't do it? The general consensus says it exists. Therefore, gravity wins.

So you can't do it? The general consensus says it exists. Therefore, gravity wins.

Appeal to popularity. Fallacy.

The general public believes in many things which simply have no evidence behind them.

Quote from: 2fst4u on February 08, 2010, 11:12:32 PM

So you can't do it? The general consensus says it exists. Therefore, gravity wins.

Appeal to popularity. Fallacy.

The general public believes in many things which simply have no evidence behind them.

I don't consider the great scientists the 'general public'. See avatar.

I don't consider the great scientists the 'general public'. See avatar.

Scientists aren't any better than the general public at separating the wheat from the chaff. Myth and fantasy exists in volumes throughout the educational system.

- Students are still taught that Columbus' men mutinied because they thought they were going to 'fall off the edge'.

- They're taught that water goes down the drain counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere.

- They're taught that butterflies emerge from coccoons.

- They're taught that 100^oC is twice as hot at 50^oC.

- They're taught that the tongue has a "taste map."

When it comes to education, students are expected to take their curriculum and material at face value. Misinformation is handed down from one generation to the next and is relatively unquestioned.

Source: http://learn-science.20m.com/tmyths.htm

Scientists aren't any better than the general public at separating the wheat from the chaff.

I'm pretty sure they are. That's why they get Nobel prizes and stuff and are generally accepted as being all round very smart people.

Myth and fantasy exists in volumes throughout the educational system. Students are still taught that Columbus' men mutinied because they thought they were going to 'fall off the edge'.

I don't learn about Columbus. It was not in my curriculum. But I have never heard of myth or fantasy being taught in school. You'd think someone in the system would pick up on it wouldn't you?

When it comes to education, students are expected to take their curriculum and material at face value. Misinformation is handed down from one generation to the next and is relatively unquestioned.

Because of the quite sought after pieces of paper called "degrees" that authors of text books tend to have. Infact, my physics teacher in my last year of school was a PHD. I'm actually fairly certain his PHD experiment or something was something to do with light. I should look into that...

I'm pretty sure they are. That's why they get Nobel prizes and stuff and are generally accepted as being all round very smart people.

Education exists as the memorization of stories. The more stories you memorize, the "smarter" you are.

Scientists are generally not any smarter than the average person. They're just people who have read more stories which might or might not be true.

I don't learn about Columbus. It was not in my curriculum. But I have never heard of myth or fantasy being taught in school. You'd think someone in the system would pick up on it wouldn't you?

Myth and fantasy reaches virtually every facet of the education system. Much of what you are taught is simply untrue or speculation.

Even in Medical Science, the most researched and sensitive of science fields, does misinformation exist: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=28085.0

Because of the quite sought after pieces of paper called "degrees" that authors of text books tend to have.

Degrees don't mean squat. There are many state schools where the curriculum is so diluted that the graduation rate is above 97%.

Bishop is quite right, many fallacies do exist in the school system because they are considered "common knowledge". For the most part you are taught these things early on because it means the adults don't have to go into great detail on the subject.

I wish we would drop Columbus day, the man was an idiot and an embarrassment. Most people durring his time believed the world was round, he believed the earth was pair (the fruit, can't spell) shaped.

Thanks for explaining the gravitation thing again, I know you said it before but I couldn't remember what was said.

The butterfly thing is an easy mistake to make though. They shed there skin and make a hard case out of their body which resembles the cocoon of a moth some what.

I'm rambling sorry. The system is changing and things come and go, but we are a race of story tellers. Many things are simply tribal knowledge. Like the Greeks and the urine of the red headed boy.

*now I remember what I was going to say. The partials that they believe to cause gravity haven't been discovered, or even proven yet. Its just as crazy to say that gravity pulls everything together as it is to say that the world is being propelled through space on a cloud of either.*

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I'm pretty sure they are. That's why they get Nobel prizes and stuff and are generally accepted as being all round very smart people.

Education exists as the memorization of stories. The more stories you memorize, the "smarter" you are.

Scientists are generally not any smarter than the average person. They're just people who have read more stories which might or might not be true.

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I don't learn about Columbus. It was not in my curriculum. But I have never heard of myth or fantasy being taught in school. You'd think someone in the system would pick up on it wouldn't you?

Myth and fantasy reaches virtually every facet of the education system. Much of what you are taught is simply untrue or speculation.

Even in Medical Science, the most researched and sensitive of science fields, does misinformation exist: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=28085.0

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Because of the quite sought after pieces of paper called "degrees" that authors of text books tend to have.

Degrees don't mean squat. There are many state schools where the curriculum is so diluted that the graduation rate is above 97%.

You're venturing into philosophy. If everything is out to be against you, why bother debating FE vs RE? anything goes.

- They're taught that butterflies emerge from coccoons.

They don't?

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- They're taught that butterflies emerge from coccoons.

They don't?

Nope they emerge from their own bodies. Shedding there skin first then becoming hard. They never actually spin a cocoon.

Quote from: Don B on February 09, 2010, 08:38:01 AM

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- They're taught that butterflies emerge from coccoons.

They don't?

Nope they emerge from their own bodies. Shedding there skin first then becoming hard. They never actually spin a cocoon.

It's called a chrysalis.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pupa#Chrysalis