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What is the best trained Elite Military Unit in the world?

Delta Force
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French GIGN
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Gurkhas
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Navy Seals
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Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: July 19, 2006, 11:24:49 PM

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2006, 06:51:52 PM »
Quixotic,

  I concur that Iran is not a threat to the US, or at least it does not need to be.  American interventionism will more than likely prove to be its own worst enemy.  

  It seems we see things from different sides of the fence as although I am a US Navy veteran of the Submarine Force, politically I would concur rather strongly with statesmen like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and do not consider myself an american.  

  It is a very good thing that americans disapprove of Bush and this attitude is a step in the direction of peace with other countries.

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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2006, 07:05:43 PM »
Personally Dionysios, I think people like you should have their citizenship abolished, not being specific to anything you have said, beside not considering yourself an American
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2006, 07:23:12 PM »
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on where the North Korea situation will head..... Certainly it has been approached with much more caution than Iraq or Afganistan..... probably due to N.K being (publicly) a little more trigger happy.
This is now an important revelation to us in AUS (not to say that's its not to anyone else, but we're well within their missile range), and provides an even more unstable region.
The best thing I've read about it is that China (on the record) is quite keen to calm the situation down, and use diplomatic means to resolve the conflict.
Jeez if you lived in S Korea you'd be sh*tting yourself, wouldn't you  :shock:
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2006, 07:25:05 PM »
Crimson, you tosser.

Dion is the only one with the right attitude. As long as people like yourself Crimson, who say they dont like Bush, but deep down you want to be ruled from afar, becaue you could not be F**ked makin your own decisions.

That is disgraceful to say that he should have his citizenship abolished. I thgouht America was a democracy?? Has he no right to say that he does not agree with BUsh. Or is it that he is saying that he partailly supports a MIddle Eastern??

You took him too literally....of course hes American, but he considers himself of the more traditional and ethical Americans of the past. The current American is selfish, lazy but yet still patriotic. In the past patriotism fuelled passion, debate, anger and eventually action. Now you guys cuoldn't give a rats arse about anything
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2006, 07:27:02 PM »
North Korea is a damn worry!!

Although if they did ever decide to do anything, there missiles would be shot out of the sky before you can say KIM JONG SUK
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2006, 07:27:39 PM »
Has anyone else here heard of Star Wars (not the movie)

or Brilliant???
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2006, 07:28:14 PM »
Okay, I initially overreacted as per the Engineer's comments, but I want to thank quixotic for his comment above.  It is an illustration that just because someone believes in america as he does not mean we must be personally enemies.

  I also appreciate what he said about older generations of americans reguardless of the separate critical post on the american military, as it was indeed a better country in the past than it is now.  

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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2006, 07:28:31 PM »
I sure would be, especially knowing the mental state and maturity of Kim Jong Il, now that guy is more than a little nuts.  Now that he aparently has nucular capabilities, God help us all

Personally I think that we should just give the North Koreans a nice nudge to bump the guy off themselves
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2006, 07:39:38 PM »
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The current American is selfish, lazy but yet still patriotic. In the past patriotism fuelled passion, debate, anger and eventually action. Now you guys cuoldn't give a rats arse about anything

There you go again, making stupid generalizations.  I am neither selfish or lazy and I give a rat's ass about many a things.
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You are also a fascist wanting to take away rights from me just because you disagree with my opinions. I do not think this about you, but if you were ever stupid enough to attempt to take away my passport from my person, I would shove a pistol in your mouth and squeeze the trigger until it CLICKS.

Wow, Dionysios, you need to go back on your meds.  Damn, man, calm down.
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2006, 08:09:32 PM »
Okay, you are right, but I thank quixotic for his coments and apologize to him if the political thread had been sidetracked.

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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2006, 08:11:19 PM »
Wow, so you hate the country, dont think you are a part of the country, but still want to remain a citizen, you are a loon

I enjoy the fascist comment, especially being an Italian Catholic
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2006, 08:40:58 PM »
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You are defending that son of a bitch crimson king which makes you just as wrong as he is.  

You must be bipolar.  This absurd side of you is not flattering.

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  How about I shove that medicine down your throat?  Don't like the taste of your own medicine do you, hypocrite?

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You are the one always talking about God and religion, and yet you talk about sticking a gun in someone's mouth and empting the clip and shoving medicine down my throat - You are the hypocrite.
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2006, 08:56:27 PM »
See my revised comment above reguarding the Engineer's criticism.  

  Retruning to the subject at hand, I repost here my comment on the uselessness of the american military presence in Iraq:

  As america is the cause of the near eastern problem, abolition of america and its military would only tend to solve the problems of the near east.  Many muslim resistance organizations like those in Iraq have as their rimary purpose the ousting of the american colonialist occupation force.  Yet america uses the existence of such organizations as its excuse to stay.  Why not get out of Iraq...NOW?

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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2006, 10:09:39 PM »
Exactly....

And Eng....I will continue to generalise about Americans until one of you can prove me wrong. I spent 1yr overseas in Europe and i was surprised to here the conversation.debates we would get into with Americans...

Every American I have met is ignorant, lazy and generally a half wit, and im sorry for those of you like Eng (who have got abrain) if you take offense, but your giving me nothing to think you are nation of people that actually cares.

I mean, when I went to the states, the first thing I got asked ws "do you ride a kangaroo to school?" Intially i thought it was quite funny, a poke at the Aussies, but by the 15th time i got asked, i was really wondering...Have any of these people been outside there own state?

The answer is probably not..
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2006, 10:51:18 PM »
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I will continue to generalise about Americans until one of you can prove me wrong.

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Every American I have met is ignorant, lazy and generally a half wit,

I am not ignorant, as I am well educated and have a great career; I am not lazy, as I have held a job every day of my life since I was 15yrs old and I worked 40 hrs a week while going to school for my degree; As I said before, I am well educated, so I guess that makes me a full-wit.  
Since one of us Americans proved you wrong (as you requested), you can now stop making generalizations.
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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2006, 12:36:43 AM »
You've proved what, exactly waht i said, you are alright, but waht about the rest??

Whats the current umeployment rate in America??

Ive never met you Eng, so i will continue to think your very wierd.

Because to me, you are a scientist that believes in a flat earth = oxymoron
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2006, 01:01:37 AM »
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You've proved what, exactly waht i said, you are alright, but waht about the rest??

You said that once one of us proves that we are not lazy, ignorant, and a half wit you would stop generalizing.  I did. Now stop.
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Whats the current umeployment rate in America??

As of last month it was 4.6% and in Australia it is 5.1%.  Why do you ask?
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Ive never met you Eng, so i will continue to think your very wierd.

That's not very nice...
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Because to me, you are a scientist that believes in a flat earth

Where did you get that idea?
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2006, 01:32:26 AM »
Ive never met you, and you should no the internet is definitely not a true representation of someone, if you would like to meet im sure you would be a typcal american....im sorry but ive never met a "good" american...

Its just the way it is

Also, 4.1% of 260 mil v 5.1% of 18 mil?? and you forgot to mention the rest from that article Eng

http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/overview/html/overview_06.htm

So our growth rate is climbing

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/060707/7jobs.htm

your growth rate is slowing

I believe your weird because to me a scientist is someone that bases everything on fact, but yet you believe in the FE theory. So to me thats a little odd, thats all
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2006, 01:41:03 AM »
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Also, 4.1% of 260 mil v 5.1% of 18 mil??

It's a percentage.  You do know what a percentage is, right?
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I but yet you believe in the FE theory.

Once again, where did you you get that idea?
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2006, 01:49:03 AM »
Im just saying that there are a lot more unemployed people in America, and it is on the rise.

Because you are always refuting RE questions??

Are you not an FE believer??
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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2006, 04:34:52 AM »
Actually the Australian unemployment rate is on the decline (4.9%, May 2006 from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [where i work]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/mf/6202.0)

I tried to find some corresponding statistics on the US http://www.census.gov/ website, but it's so rank compared to ours, that I could only find stats from 2004 at the latest, and nothing that wasn't grouped by age etc. without spending a lot of time searching for it, which I couldn't be bothered doing (it took me 1 minute to get the data).
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2006, 02:23:47 PM »
Quixotic,

  Although I do not agree 100% with all their premises (chiefly colonialism), the Australian League of Rights is one of the few outstanding right wing organizations I do respect, and I have ordered books from them several times over the years.  During my recent visit to Australia, I visited their Adelaide book store in Happy Valley.  They have been around since 1946, and their founder Eric Butler is still alive at over 100 years of age.  

  As a historical side note, Eric Butler is the reason the John Birch Society got an undeserved anti-Jewish reputation.  I do not say this because I like the Birch Society, but only because it is the truth as the Birch Society is a sophisticated pro-zionist and anti-communist organization, which I am quite opposed to.  In 1967, the Birch Society's monthly 'American Opinion' ran an entire issue as an almanac of the world analysing the degree of communist advance in each sector of the world.  Eric Butler, the founder and president of th Australian League of Rights at the time, authored the chapter on the near east entitled 'Where the Heat Is On.'  The fact that the Birch Society with its american following had allowed Butler to write an article in its journal motivated the Anti-Defamation League to initiate an anti-John Birh Society campaign in that year.  In my opinion the Birch Society actually tries to wean out the potential anti-zionists of the conservative movement.  The ADL's campaign is the source of the misconception that the John Birch Society was ever really anti-zionist, which it is not as its articles constantly attack all the same enemies that israel has.  If anything, the organization is more pro-israel than israel itself.  The John Birch Society has always been a sort of sophisticated political version of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell (or their predecessors like Billy James Hargis).  

  But never mind those has-been idiots (who seem to have finally given up trying to assert the israeli spawned anti-communist propaganda that the alleged Soviet break-up is proceeding as planned back in the 1950's and the final Soviet offensive is close at hand) as the Australian League of Rights has always been more 'On Target' than almost all other conservative organizations combined:

http://www.alor.org/

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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2006, 03:49:23 PM »
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Im just saying that there are a lot more unemployed people in America, and it is on the rise.

So you don't know how percentages work...
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Actually the Australian unemployment rate is on the decline - 4.9%

I could only find figures from 2005 at 2:00 am.
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2006, 05:02:05 PM »
Yes i know waht a precentage is Eng, and i KNow its relative.

But still, i cant find one article that says the unemployment rate is decreasing.
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2006, 05:09:36 PM »
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But still, i cant find one article that says the unemployment rate is decreasing.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2006, 07:21:03 PM »
litlle presumptuous isn't??
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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2006, 07:23:57 PM »
Yes.  It doesn't agree with your claims at all does it?
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2006, 07:24:51 PM »
No, that I would want to thank Engineer??

not the article...


oooooohhhhhh its even on the poll now...
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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2006, 08:31:23 PM »
Im not refuting the unemployment rate in America. Here is some good stats though from a site dated June 2006.

Rick, these are almost as descriptive as ours at ABS.

Good stats..

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2006, 08:48:01 PM »
What does the unemployment rate have to do with our discussion?
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