[News]

News: Help me get the word out!  If anyone has advice or knows media people who might be interested, please let us know!

[Ichimaru Gin :]]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

[Raist]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

I'm not saying I would survive, but the zombie simply has to bite you for it not to matter.

Have you ever shot a running target?

Can you..... not read or something?
.22 != a heavy rifle
.50 == Heavy rifle
So you proved yourself wrong, congratulations.

Also, usually zombies entail shamblers, but if were going 28 days later esque, id rather have a close range weapon such as a 12 gauge then a .50 calibre if they can close their distance that quickly.

So either way a .50 cal is still not a good weapon to keep around in either case if your smart about your ammo consumption.

Uh, you said .22's are good for people because people aren't used to the recoil of a heavy rifle.

If they are that bad of a shot they couldn't hit me.

Please please please please please keep up with the convo.

Also, a .50 caliber is not a heavy rifle, it is a pistol as I explicitly stated. Please learn to read.

Would you like to point out where you said pistol? I did a ctrl + f search for "pistol" nothing turned up except your last post. Good job moron. Do you really think you can find a .50 cal pistol sitting around somewhere.

And by the way, specify next time, a .50 AE round is different than a .50 caliber Round in say an m82 Barrett Rifle.

A .22 isn't a heavy rifle. Please stop making yourself look this dumb with guns, I actually think you made up that cute little story about you hunting animals.

Please learn to not be this stupid.

I've never said a .22 is a heavy rifle. I'm simply saying someone that is too knew to handle a heavy rifle is too new to use ANY FUCKING GUN to hit someone in the head while they are running.

Now please stop embarrassing yourself.

And I'm sorry that you are one of the people that actually believe the myth about .22 exploding inside people's heads. Any pistol round going directly through a brain will kill someone. While a .22 will occasionally not penetrate the second side of the skull it still is not much more effective than larger rounds at killing.

Your dream that a .22 is an effective combat weapon is bullshit. Not a single combat division in the world will use .22's. And if you want to bring the massad that are rumored to use .22 caliber pistols for assassinations, then I'd like to point out the Israeli armed forces use the .50 calliber D eagle in combat.

[sokarul]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

[Raist]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

[AdmiralAckbar]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

[sokarul]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf. 

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.   

[Raist]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistolI never said it was a rifle, you assumed and did so incorrectly.. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifleOf course I do, but both of them have the same caliber meaning again, your assumptions were wrong.. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot. Oh yes I would. Life is not like the video games. When someone is close to you a rifle works just as well as a pistol. Smaller rifles and pistols are only more effective at maneuvering, not at hitting close targets.

[AdmiralAckbar]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

[General Douchebag]

I doubt you know what battling against hordes of the undead is really like either, so you can't really call him on his ignorance in that field. Pistols are most commonly used for ease of concealment, and SMGs are only useful in CQC because of the rate of fire. If you're a good shot and the barrel isn't too long to fit in the room you'd probably be better with a rifle, particularly given that you worship the film-style "You gotta shoot 'em in the head" zombies, so having an SMG that'll tear the torso apart with the rate of fire rather than putting the emphasis on aiming, and end up leaving 25% of a zombie that's still 100% capable of infecting you.

Also, Maadi-Griffin 0.50 BMG handgun. It exists.

[AdmiralAckbar]

I doubt you know what battling against hordes of the undead is really like either, so you can't really call him on his ignorance in that field. Pistols are most commonly used for ease of concealment, and SMGs are only useful in CQC because of the rate of fire. If you're a good shot and the barrel isn't too long to fit in the room you'd probably be better with a rifle, particularly given that you worship the film-style "You gotta shoot 'em in the head" zombies, so having an SMG that'll tear the torso apart with the rate of fire rather than putting the emphasis on aiming, and end up leaving 25% of a zombie that's still 100% capable of infecting you.

Also, Maadi-Griffin 0.50 BMG handgun. It exists.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Also could you get me a picture of the Maadi-Griffin? I couldn't find a reliable picture that i could confirm it was a pistol and not some rifle / revolver. I can only imagine how unnecessarily large a .50 cal BMG pistol would be lol.

[General Douchebag]

[AdmiralAckbar]

haha I like the huge barrel on it, I can only imagine it has huge recoil is, because the gun is actually pretty small

[Raist]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

sigh, i'd take you more seriously if you didn't copy paste the size of the bullets and did it from the top of your head.

and I said both bullets have the same caliber, not the same length, shape, load size, etc. Do you know what caliber means?

And as I said, shooting a target at 10-15 feet with a rifle is no harder than doing it with a pistol. The side to side motion is limited in charge to the point of being nonexistent.

[Anteater7171]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

I don't believe .22lr would be a poor round for zombies, from a power standpoint. It is powerful enough to pierce a coyote skull (the closest comparison I have) out to 50yds. So that would be acceptable, IMO. The power of the .22lr is all too often ignored. However, the reliability of a rimfire round certainly leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't want a failure to ignite (FTI) when a zombie is charging me. 

As far as the .50bmg, I have little experience so I can't comment. However, I doubt a zombie would be moving after being hit with that many foot lbs.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Why the fuck would you let one get that close? My first reaction to zombies would be to post up in my house (overlooking our valley). I'd try picking them off at ~400yds, if head shots are a must ~200yds. The reason rifles are used is that they are easier to shoot precisely. The shoulder stock and longer sight radius(distance between front and rear sight). Really aid in practical accuracy. Pistols lack both of these characteristics making them significantly harder to shoot practically. SMG's have a stock however they are meant for close use, they are generally disadvantageous(for more reasons than I feel like explaining) therefore they've been fazed out in most militaries and replaced by 5.56x45mm/5.45x39.5mm carbines.

A pistol is a back up weapon, period. A rifle is generally better in every way, excluding size and weight. They're even faster (and more natural) to bring on target. I could explain why, but my discussion of natural point of aim would probably go way over most here's heads.

Also with minimal training an average person could probably hit a zombie head at 50yds most of the time, in a supported position. No need to let them get that close



Also, please don't mix the terms up, they're far from interchangeable.


Also yes several .50bmg handguns exist. None are practical for anything.Also as far is impracticality large pistols, a .600 nitro magnum revolver would be my choice.




My current zombie strategy is arm as many people as possible (even with imperfect weapons), ten people with Mosins are far more formidable then one dude with an AR.

[AdmiralAckbar]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

I don't believe .22lr would be a poor round for zombies, from a power standpoint. It is powerful enough to pierce a coyote skull (the closest comparison I have) out to 50yds. So that would be acceptable, IMO. The power of the .22lr is all too often ignored. However, the reliability of a rimfire round certainly leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't want a failure to ignite (FTI) when a zombie is charging me.  

As far as the .50bmg, I have little experience so I can't comment. However, I doubt a zombie would be moving after being hit with that many foot lbs.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Why the fuck would you let one get that close? My first reaction to zombies would be to post up in my house (overlooking our valley). I'd try picking them off at ~400yds, if head shots are a must ~200yds. The reason rifles are used is that they are easier to shoot precisely. The shoulder stock and longer sight radius(distance between front and rear sight). Really aid in practical accuracy. Pistols lack both of these characteristics making them significantly harder to shoot practically. SMG's have a stock however they are meant for close use, they are generally disadvantageous(for more reasons than I feel like explaining) therefore they've been fazed out in most militaries and replaced by 5.56x45mm/5.45x39.5mm carbines.

A pistol is a back up weapon, period. A rifle is generally better in every way, excluding size and weight. They're even faster (and more natural) to bring on target. I could explain why, but my discussion of natural point of aim would probably go way over most here's heads.

Also with minimal training an average person could probably hit a zombie head at 50yds most of the time, in a supported position. No need to let them get that close

Also, please don't mix the terms up, they're far from interchangeable.


Also yes several .50bmg handguns exist. None are practical for anything.Also as far is impracticality large pistols, a .600 nitro magnum revolver would be my choice.


My current zombie strategy is arm as many people as possible (even with imperfect weapons), ten people with Mosins are far more formidable then one dude with an AR.

Eh I wouldn't risk the ammo at that kind of range, I'm gonna be a huge conservative "Till you see the white of their eyes" kind of bullet hog. And like ive stated this is more for on the move shooting, not stationary, holding my house kind of thing, although i do appreciate your input .

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

sigh, i'd take you more seriously if you didn't copy paste the size of the bullets and did it from the top of your head.

and I said both bullets have the same caliber, not the same length, shape, load size, etc. Do you know what caliber means?

And as I said, shooting a target at 10-15 feet with a rifle is no harder than doing it with a pistol. The side to side motion is limited in charge to the point of being nonexistent.

And if I did that you would have called me wrong and to cite my source or whatever, so i prefer copypasta. And wow you should go out and shoot some time if you really think that 0.o. Multiple targets at 10 feet and your trying to shoulder a rifle to get perfect headshots on each of them...? Good luck mate =/.

[Raist]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

I don't believe .22lr would be a poor round for zombies, from a power standpoint. It is powerful enough to pierce a coyote skull (the closest comparison I have) out to 50yds. So that would be acceptable, IMO. The power of the .22lr is all too often ignored. However, the reliability of a rimfire round certainly leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't want a failure to ignite (FTI) when a zombie is charging me.  

As far as the .50bmg, I have little experience so I can't comment. However, I doubt a zombie would be moving after being hit with that many foot lbs.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Why the fuck would you let one get that close? My first reaction to zombies would be to post up in my house (overlooking our valley). I'd try picking them off at ~400yds, if head shots are a must ~200yds. The reason rifles are used is that they are easier to shoot precisely. The shoulder stock and longer sight radius(distance between front and rear sight). Really aid in practical accuracy. Pistols lack both of these characteristics making them significantly harder to shoot practically. SMG's have a stock however they are meant for close use, they are generally disadvantageous(for more reasons than I feel like explaining) therefore they've been fazed out in most militaries and replaced by 5.56x45mm/5.45x39.5mm carbines.

A pistol is a back up weapon, period. A rifle is generally better in every way, excluding size and weight. They're even faster (and more natural) to bring on target. I could explain why, but my discussion of natural point of aim would probably go way over most here's heads.

Also with minimal training an average person could probably hit a zombie head at 50yds most of the time, in a supported position. No need to let them get that close

Also, please don't mix the terms up, they're far from interchangeable.


Also yes several .50bmg handguns exist. None are practical for anything.Also as far is impracticality large pistols, a .600 nitro magnum revolver would be my choice.


My current zombie strategy is arm as many people as possible (even with imperfect weapons), ten people with Mosins are far more formidable then one dude with an AR.

Eh I wouldn't risk the ammo at that kind of range, I'm gonna be a huge conservative "Till you see the white of their eyes" kind of bullet hog. And like ive stated this is more for on the move shooting, not stationary, holding my house kind of thing, although i do appreciate your input .

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

sigh, i'd take you more seriously if you didn't copy paste the size of the bullets and did it from the top of your head.

and I said both bullets have the same caliber, not the same length, shape, load size, etc. Do you know what caliber means?

And as I said, shooting a target at 10-15 feet with a rifle is no harder than doing it with a pistol. The side to side motion is limited in charge to the point of being nonexistent.

And if I did that you would have called me wrong and to cite my source or whatever, so i prefer copypasta. And wow you should go out and shoot some time if you really think that 0.o. Multiple targets at 10 feet and your trying to shoulder a rifle to get perfect headshots on each of them...? Good luck mate =/.

Lol. That's a fire rate problem. The reason they make semi auto carbines mister bullet hog. Good luck blowing all of your ammo in pistol rounds.

Also, if there are multiple zombies within 10 feet of you then you've already let them get too close. Maybe you should have shot at 200 yards.

[AdmiralAckbar]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

I don't believe .22lr would be a poor round for zombies, from a power standpoint. It is powerful enough to pierce a coyote skull (the closest comparison I have) out to 50yds. So that would be acceptable, IMO. The power of the .22lr is all too often ignored. However, the reliability of a rimfire round certainly leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't want a failure to ignite (FTI) when a zombie is charging me.  

As far as the .50bmg, I have little experience so I can't comment. However, I doubt a zombie would be moving after being hit with that many foot lbs.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Why the fuck would you let one get that close? My first reaction to zombies would be to post up in my house (overlooking our valley). I'd try picking them off at ~400yds, if head shots are a must ~200yds. The reason rifles are used is that they are easier to shoot precisely. The shoulder stock and longer sight radius(distance between front and rear sight). Really aid in practical accuracy. Pistols lack both of these characteristics making them significantly harder to shoot practically. SMG's have a stock however they are meant for close use, they are generally disadvantageous(for more reasons than I feel like explaining) therefore they've been fazed out in most militaries and replaced by 5.56x45mm/5.45x39.5mm carbines.

A pistol is a back up weapon, period. A rifle is generally better in every way, excluding size and weight. They're even faster (and more natural) to bring on target. I could explain why, but my discussion of natural point of aim would probably go way over most here's heads.

Also with minimal training an average person could probably hit a zombie head at 50yds most of the time, in a supported position. No need to let them get that close

Also, please don't mix the terms up, they're far from interchangeable.


Also yes several .50bmg handguns exist. None are practical for anything.Also as far is impracticality large pistols, a .600 nitro magnum revolver would be my choice.


My current zombie strategy is arm as many people as possible (even with imperfect weapons), ten people with Mosins are far more formidable then one dude with an AR.

Eh I wouldn't risk the ammo at that kind of range, I'm gonna be a huge conservative "Till you see the white of their eyes" kind of bullet hog. And like ive stated this is more for on the move shooting, not stationary, holding my house kind of thing, although i do appreciate your input .

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

sigh, i'd take you more seriously if you didn't copy paste the size of the bullets and did it from the top of your head.

and I said both bullets have the same caliber, not the same length, shape, load size, etc. Do you know what caliber means?

And as I said, shooting a target at 10-15 feet with a rifle is no harder than doing it with a pistol. The side to side motion is limited in charge to the point of being nonexistent.

And if I did that you would have called me wrong and to cite my source or whatever, so i prefer copypasta. And wow you should go out and shoot some time if you really think that 0.o. Multiple targets at 10 feet and your trying to shoulder a rifle to get perfect headshots on each of them...? Good luck mate =/.

Lol. That's a fire rate problem. The reason they make semi auto carbines mister bullet hog. Good luck blowing all of your ammo in pistol rounds.
Huh? I thought we were on .50 Cal and .22lr, now your bringing in carbines? How about you stay on topic.

Also, if there are multiple zombies within 10 feet of you then you've already let them get too close. Maybe you should have shot at 200 yards.

Good luck wasting all of your ammo, and when they finally do get close your spent on ammunition and you can't get back to your stronghold to get more, Guess I know whos gonna be dieing first if this shit goes down

[sokarul]

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

I don't believe .22lr would be a poor round for zombies, from a power standpoint. It is powerful enough to pierce a coyote skull (the closest comparison I have) out to 50yds. So that would be acceptable, IMO. The power of the .22lr is all too often ignored. However, the reliability of a rimfire round certainly leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't want a failure to ignite (FTI) when a zombie is charging me.  

As far as the .50bmg, I have little experience so I can't comment. However, I doubt a zombie would be moving after being hit with that many foot lbs.

Well yeah I was only saying that because in every post it sounds like hes going to have the time to shoulder the rifle, take aim, and fire at their head with 1 shot.

Pistols are used in combat because of easy concealment, but in a situation like that, the lightweight, decent clip size, and good stopping power of a good pistol are all good additions to carry around.

I disagree I believe the SMG is also good in CQC because of the short barrel. Kind of like how M16's are rarely used for inner city fighting in comparison to the m4 Carbine (shorter barrel length if i recall).

and like i said, I'm not gonna be shooting any of these things unless they're pretty damn close, otherwise I'm wasting ammo that I might need later on.

Why the fuck would you let one get that close? My first reaction to zombies would be to post up in my house (overlooking our valley). I'd try picking them off at ~400yds, if head shots are a must ~200yds. The reason rifles are used is that they are easier to shoot precisely. The shoulder stock and longer sight radius(distance between front and rear sight). Really aid in practical accuracy. Pistols lack both of these characteristics making them significantly harder to shoot practically. SMG's have a stock however they are meant for close use, they are generally disadvantageous(for more reasons than I feel like explaining) therefore they've been fazed out in most militaries and replaced by 5.56x45mm/5.45x39.5mm carbines.

A pistol is a back up weapon, period. A rifle is generally better in every way, excluding size and weight. They're even faster (and more natural) to bring on target. I could explain why, but my discussion of natural point of aim would probably go way over most here's heads.

Also with minimal training an average person could probably hit a zombie head at 50yds most of the time, in a supported position. No need to let them get that close

Also, please don't mix the terms up, they're far from interchangeable.


Also yes several .50bmg handguns exist. None are practical for anything.Also as far is impracticality large pistols, a .600 nitro magnum revolver would be my choice.


My current zombie strategy is arm as many people as possible (even with imperfect weapons), ten people with Mosins are far more formidable then one dude with an AR.

Eh I wouldn't risk the ammo at that kind of range, I'm gonna be a huge conservative "Till you see the white of their eyes" kind of bullet hog. And like ive stated this is more for on the move shooting, not stationary, holding my house kind of thing, although i do appreciate your input .

I'm surprised Sokarul hasn't said anything, he's actually a gun expert.

To get one thing straight.  One of the biggest gun myths ever is that a .22 lr will bounce around in a skull.  This is simply not true. The .22 lr round does not penetrate much.  It's range is also terrible.  

Most .50 cal rifles are super heavy.  I shot a Barret.  You aren't going to be using it like you can in MW.  

Personally I believe the .50 and the .22lr rounds would be poor rounds to fight zombies. (if that is even what you guys are talking about.)  

That's what I was saying.

I made a joke about it'd be better to kill them than shoot them and he went off on his ".22lr is the greatest combat round on earth splurge"

I just wanted to see how much he'd rage . Also he proved himself to be pretty dumb, he tripped on his own words, failed to ever say the word pistol. Doesn't realize theres a difference between a .50 AE pistol round and a .50 Caliber round for a rifle. And Im pretty sure at close range a .22 would have no problem penetrating a skull. Especially if its all rotty and decaying like the movies portray them to be. If not. A point blank shot should beable to kill .

Raist is just a noob with guns and the english language.

"
Me: So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me Smiley.

Him: If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

"
You wouldn't be shooting at someone that close with a heavy rifle anyway <.<. so it doesn't mean they can't shoot.

Don't forget the .50 beowulf.  

I agree at close range a .22 lr would penetrate the skull.  It's just that it will not kill a zombie any better than other rounds.
Using a .22 lr to kill zombies would be like using birdshot in a shotgun to protect your home.    

Yeah like i said, if i was locking down a house for a last stand, I'd pull out at least a 12 gauge. I'd love to have a nice barrett post on the roof of a house just picking off some bastards . This is more for, get in the store. Take what we need get out kind of weapon. .22 LR is the lightest gun i've ever had. 12 gauge not as light or easily carriable. I plan for the hardest and scariest part of a zombie invasion, scavenging and patrolling, not locking down a position and holding it, thats the easy part

and Raist, I am allowed my assumption unless told so otherwise. Why would I carry around a .50 cal pistol? Do you have any idea how annoying those are to shoot with 1 hand? Nevermind how unnecessarily large they are with usually a short clip size. I'd much rather a USP .45 ACP.

Although a M1911 .45 would be nice too .

.50 AE: (AE, 12.7×33mm)
.50 Cal: (12.7x99mm NATO)
Big difference. Be more precise next time you talk like you know something.
a .50 cal going into an m82 would never fit into a Desert Eagle .50 AE.
At least not from the sizes I've seen .50 Cal bullets 0.o. Unless the DE barrel is abnormally large, which also seems kinda dumb to carry around..

Do you know what close is? Close is 10-15 feet. I'd like to see you maneuver a rifle at that range not expecting something to attack you.
Thats what pistols and SMG's are made for, CQC. Rifles are meant for Mid- Long range Combat.

Shooting in real life isn't like shooting stationary targets, or animals running from you.

sigh, i'd take you more seriously if you didn't copy paste the size of the bullets and did it from the top of your head.

and I said both bullets have the same caliber, not the same length, shape, load size, etc. Do you know what caliber means?

And as I said, shooting a target at 10-15 feet with a rifle is no harder than doing it with a pistol. The side to side motion is limited in charge to the point of being nonexistent.

And if I did that you would have called me wrong and to cite my source or whatever, so i prefer copypasta. And wow you should go out and shoot some time if you really think that 0.o. Multiple targets at 10 feet and your trying to shoulder a rifle to get perfect headshots on each of them...? Good luck mate =/.

Lol. That's a fire rate problem. The reason they make semi auto carbines mister bullet hog. Good luck blowing all of your ammo in pistol rounds.
Huh? I thought we were on .50 Cal and .22lr, now your bringing in carbines? How about you stay on topic.

Also, if there are multiple zombies within 10 feet of you then you've already let them get too close. Maybe you should have shot at 200 yards.

Good luck wasting all of your ammo, and when they finally do get close your spent on ammunition and you can't get back to your stronghold to get more, Guess I know whos gonna be dieing first if this shit goes down

200 yards shot is not that tough. 

[AdmiralAckbar]

200 yards shot is not that tough.  

When your hungry, scared, hopeless, low on ammunition, hundreds of targets around you and shooting at something that isn't even aware of your presence, I believe that's a waste of ammo.

[Anteater7171]

200 yards shot is not that tough.  

When your hungry, scared, hopeless, low on ammunition, hundreds of targets around you and shooting at something that isn't even aware of your presence, I believe that's a waste of ammo.

Those two could be easily prevented. Also 200yds isn't that tough.