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[AdmiralAckbar]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

[Raist]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

A .22 shatters and skatters as it enters the skull. A .50 cal will leave a hole in their head, cool. A .22 will turn their brain into mush.

And if your talking about poor marksmanship skills, its harder to shoot a .50 cal compared to a .22 sooo yeah.

.22 > .50   for practicality as well as results .

[Raist]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

A .22 shatters and skatters as it enters the skull. A .50 cal will leave a hole in their head, cool. A .22 will turn their brain into mush.

And if your talking about poor marksmanship skills, its harder to shoot a .50 cal compared to a .22 sooo yeah.

.22 > .50   for practicality as well as results .

Lol. Wow. No.

A .22 will only penetrate a skull from certain angles. Meaning if you hit at a bad angle it does nothing. A .50 caliber will blow half the head clean off. The exit would is usually about the size of the back of the skull. In your terms that would mean "the whole head turns to moosh" And while a .22 long round from close range will enter the brain there is no guarantee it will make it through the skull at longer distances.

But again, I am not recommending the .50 caliber at all. There are many guns with much higher capacities than a .50 and a lot more power than the .22. Naming the two extremes and arguing over which is better is like trying to figure out whether to use a hammer or a foam bat to open a door. Neither is the right tool.

[General Douchebag]

I've always found larger calibers easier to work with, so I'm happy with my .762s.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

A .22 shatters and skatters as it enters the skull. A .50 cal will leave a hole in their head, cool. A .22 will turn their brain into mush.

And if your talking about poor marksmanship skills, its harder to shoot a .50 cal compared to a .22 sooo yeah.

.22 > .50   for practicality as well as results .

Lol. Wow. No.

A .22 will only penetrate a skull from certain angles. Meaning if you hit at a bad angle it does nothing. A .50 caliber will blow half the head clean off. The exit would is usually about the size of the back of the skull. In your terms that would mean "the whole head turns to moosh" And while a .22 long round from close range will enter the brain there is no guarantee it will make it through the skull at longer distances.

But again, I am not recommending the .50 caliber at all. There are many guns with much higher capacities than a .50 and a lot more power than the .22. Naming the two extremes and arguing over which is better is like trying to figure out whether to use a hammer or a foam bat to open a door. Neither is the right tool.

Why do you need more power 0.o, a .22 is more than enough to pierce the skull.... You shouldn't be wasting ammo at longer ranges anyway, .22 is more plentiful then any ammo type youll probably care to mention that has "high-firepower".

 A .22 isn't an extreme, its one of the best choices. A .50 cal is just some kids wet dream of somehow getting a good military grade rifle for a zombie invasion which is highly doubtful. You shouldn't be shooting anything out of the .22's effective range, and if your that bad at shooting a gun that you can't make a good entrance wound at that range, your better off running than shooting.

I've always found larger calibers easier to work with, so I'm happy with my .762s.

Usually new comers to guns complain about recoil, a .22 has little to no recoil compared to a .50 caliber. If you don't have that thing into your shoulder right, you could bust your entire arm <.<

[General Douchebag]

How long do you think newcomers will last in a zombie outbreak? Also, .762 ammo is likely to be more plentiful in most parts of the world, AK47s and whatnot. How many .22 rifles are in common use?

[Raist]

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

A .22 shatters and skatters as it enters the skull. A .50 cal will leave a hole in their head, cool. A .22 will turn their brain into mush.

And if your talking about poor marksmanship skills, its harder to shoot a .50 cal compared to a .22 sooo yeah.

.22 > .50   for practicality as well as results .

Lol. Wow. No.

A .22 will only penetrate a skull from certain angles. Meaning if you hit at a bad angle it does nothing. A .50 caliber will blow half the head clean off. The exit would is usually about the size of the back of the skull. In your terms that would mean "the whole head turns to moosh" And while a .22 long round from close range will enter the brain there is no guarantee it will make it through the skull at longer distances.

But again, I am not recommending the .50 caliber at all. There are many guns with much higher capacities than a .50 and a lot more power than the .22. Naming the two extremes and arguing over which is better is like trying to figure out whether to use a hammer or a foam bat to open a door. Neither is the right tool.

Why do you need more power 0.o, a .22 is more than enough to pierce the skull.... You shouldn't be wasting ammo at longer ranges anyway, .22 is more plentiful then any ammo type youll probably care to mention that has "high-firepower".

 A .22 isn't an extreme, its one of the best choices. A .50 cal is just some kids wet dream of somehow getting a good military grade rifle for a zombie invasion which is highly doubtful. You shouldn't be shooting anything out of the .22's effective range, and if your that bad at shooting a gun that you can't make a good entrance wound at that range, your better off running than shooting.

I've always found larger calibers easier to work with, so I'm happy with my .762s.

Usually new comers to guns complain about recoil, a .22 has little to no recoil compared to a .50 caliber. If you don't have that thing into your shoulder right, you could bust your entire arm <.<

"Why do you need more power 0.o, a .22 is more than enough to pierce the skull...."

No, it does not. And you would work at longer ranges to keep those nasty zombies from clawing you. It is an extreme because other than the .17hmr I can not name a smaller round off the top of my head. Though the .17 has a bit more penetrating power, and does everything you claim the .22 does but better. It's lighter, you can carry more etc etc.

[AdmiralAckbar]

How long do you think newcomers will last in a zombie outbreak? Also, .762 ammo is likely to be more plentiful in most parts of the world, AK47s and whatnot. How many .22 rifles are in common use?

I'm talking about the average civilian area, not a military grade installation <.<. Sure some avid gun collectors with have a nice assortment of weaponry but I've seen a lot more .22 ammunition (its small, easily massable, etc.) then an M4's 5.56, AK's 7.62 (Many versions of the AK exist so whatever other ammunition you want to include).

I would assume the people that survive are the ones that are fit, in shape, can outrun others, can survive on their own, scavenge food and supplies, etc. would survive, and the average dumbass "I have a .50 cal lemme go on a killing spree" will actually die first. So at least we'll have people who understand its a test of survival and not killing everything in sight....

Final Fantasy came out in 1987, what else was I supposed to do when I was 5?

Play outside like a normal child.

To bring this back on topic, prepare for a zombie invasion.

Yeah and everyone listen to Raist, obviously then we will have some kind of chance of making it out with a cure.

The only cure is .50 calibers worth of aspirin to the head delivered at high speeds to treat that lingering headache they all seem to have.

>Implying a .22 wouldn't get the job done even better, cheaper, and a bullet with more quantity and use.

When penetrating a skull is the difference between life or death I wouldn't want to take the chance on hitting it at a bad angle, or having the bullet skim the brain leaving it mobile.

A .50 caliber would go right through the skull no matter the angle, and I was making a point, not giving advice on bullet practicality.

A .22 shatters and skatters as it enters the skull. A .50 cal will leave a hole in their head, cool. A .22 will turn their brain into mush.

And if your talking about poor marksmanship skills, its harder to shoot a .50 cal compared to a .22 sooo yeah.

.22 > .50   for practicality as well as results .

Lol. Wow. No.

A .22 will only penetrate a skull from certain angles. Meaning if you hit at a bad angle it does nothing. A .50 caliber will blow half the head clean off. The exit would is usually about the size of the back of the skull. In your terms that would mean "the whole head turns to moosh" And while a .22 long round from close range will enter the brain there is no guarantee it will make it through the skull at longer distances.

But again, I am not recommending the .50 caliber at all. There are many guns with much higher capacities than a .50 and a lot more power than the .22. Naming the two extremes and arguing over which is better is like trying to figure out whether to use a hammer or a foam bat to open a door. Neither is the right tool.

Why do you need more power 0.o, a .22 is more than enough to pierce the skull.... You shouldn't be wasting ammo at longer ranges anyway, .22 is more plentiful then any ammo type youll probably care to mention that has "high-firepower".

 A .22 isn't an extreme, its one of the best choices. A .50 cal is just some kids wet dream of somehow getting a good military grade rifle for a zombie invasion which is highly doubtful. You shouldn't be shooting anything out of the .22's effective range, and if your that bad at shooting a gun that you can't make a good entrance wound at that range, your better off running than shooting.

I've always found larger calibers easier to work with, so I'm happy with my .762s.

Usually new comers to guns complain about recoil, a .22 has little to no recoil compared to a .50 caliber. If you don't have that thing into your shoulder right, you could bust your entire arm <.<

"Why do you need more power 0.o, a .22 is more than enough to pierce the skull...."

No, it does not. And you would work at longer ranges to keep those nasty zombies from clawing you. It is an extreme because other than the .17hmr I can not name a smaller round off the top of my head. Though the .17 has a bit more penetrating power, and does everything you claim the .22 does but better. It's lighter, you can carry more etc etc.

You really don't know how to conserve ammunition if you don't know what range im talking about.
".22 LR is effective within 150 meters (495 ft)" - Wikipedia .22 Long rifle

If you are going to spend the ammunition killing something to keep it away from you, it should be at least half of that range. 75 meters is more than enough space for you to run rather than waste ammo killing something you can avoid.

Note: I've also seen .22 ammo more plentiful then .17, im not saying the smallest caliber is the best, its the best of all aspects, enough power, enough quanitity, small enough, etc.

[Raist]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

[Raist]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

I'm not saying I would survive, but the zombie simply has to bite you for it not to matter.

Have you ever shot a running target?

[AdmiralAckbar]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

I'm not saying I would survive, but the zombie simply has to bite you for it not to matter.

Have you ever shot a running target?

Can you..... not read or something?
.22 != a heavy rifle
.50 == Heavy rifle
So you proved yourself wrong, congratulations.

Also, usually zombies entail shamblers, but if were going 28 days later esque, id rather have a close range weapon such as a 12 gauge then a .50 calibre if they can close their distance that quickly.

So either way a .50 cal is still not a good weapon to keep around in either case if your smart about your ammo consumption.

[General Douchebag]

They're too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, which would be why they're using a .22 and would mean they're not a very good shot.

[AdmiralAckbar]

They're too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, which would be why they're using a .22 and would mean they're not a very good shot.

I'd take my .22 over anything else because of how light, how much ammo i could find, and how useful it is. I can shoot the rifle with one hand if i have to. leave my other hand open for anything else i may need it for.

Zombies arn't about being a good shot, its about traveling light, quickly, and avoiding bad situations. Not going in guns blazing.

Note: most of the time when your on the move, your going to want light weapons. If its a last stand sort of thing then be my guest, i plan on bolting in a machine gun on the bed of my friends truck. But if were talking about on the move looking for supplies which is what your gonna be doing most of the time. A light weapon is your best friend.

[General Douchebag]

They're too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, which would be why they're using a .22 and would mean they're not a very good shot.

I'd take my .22 over anything else because of how light, how much ammo i could find, and how useful it is. I can shoot the rifle with one hand if i have to. leave my other hand open for anything else i may need it for.

Zombies arn't about being a good shot, its about traveling light, quickly, and avoiding bad situations. Not going in guns blazing.

Note: most of the time when your on the move, your going to want light weapons. If its a last stand sort of thing then be my guest, i plan on bolting in a machine gun on the bed of my friends truck. But if were talking about on the move looking for supplies which is what your gonna be doing most of the time. A light weapon is your best friend.

Interesting plan. Can I ask, however, why you quoted me if you weren't going to respond to my point?

[AdmiralAckbar]

They're too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, which would be why they're using a .22 and would mean they're not a very good shot.

I'd take my .22 over anything else because of how light, how much ammo i could find, and how useful it is. I can shoot the rifle with one hand if i have to. leave my other hand open for anything else i may need it for.

Zombies arn't about being a good shot, its about traveling light, quickly, and avoiding bad situations. Not going in guns blazing.

Note: most of the time when your on the move, your going to want light weapons. If its a last stand sort of thing then be my guest, i plan on bolting in a machine gun on the bed of my friends truck. But if were talking about on the move looking for supplies which is what your gonna be doing most of the time. A light weapon is your best friend.

Interesting plan. Can I ask, however, why you quoted me if you weren't going to respond to my point?

You assumed someone using a .22 isn't a good shot because they can't handle recoil. I replied saying regardless of the recoil i would take a .22 because of its other positive aspects.

Edit: sorry for not replying more directly (not being sarcastic, i can see the misunderstanding)

[Raist]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

I'm not saying I would survive, but the zombie simply has to bite you for it not to matter.

Have you ever shot a running target?

Can you..... not read or something?
.22 != a heavy rifle
.50 == Heavy rifle
So you proved yourself wrong, congratulations.

Also, usually zombies entail shamblers, but if were going 28 days later esque, id rather have a close range weapon such as a 12 gauge then a .50 calibre if they can close their distance that quickly.

So either way a .50 cal is still not a good weapon to keep around in either case if your smart about your ammo consumption.

Uh, you said .22's are good for people because people aren't used to the recoil of a heavy rifle.

If they are that bad of a shot they couldn't hit me.

Please please please please please keep up with the convo.

Also, a .50 caliber is not a heavy rifle, it is a pistol as I explicitly stated. Please learn to read.

[Chris Spaghetti]

The only sensible cure for zombies is fire, and lots of it!

Well done, now you've burned down your safehouse. Remind me not to bunk up with the pyromaniac in an outbreak.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Jesus christ. Do you read?

We are talking about it penetrating a skull. Something I've done quite a bit with a .22. Not any human skulls but it is the same dynamic. I know for a fact that animals slightly smaller than a human, with equally thin skulls, can stop a .22 bullet with their skull if hit at the right angle at close range.

At medium range the bullet is still "effective" meaning it hasn't dropped to subsonic speeds and lost its accuracy. Yes I know the range of a .22, considering I've been shooting my henry lever action .22 since I got it at the age of 8. A nice gun, all wood and metal so it has enough weight to keep it accurate. It won't bounce in your hand, and I've killed enough animals with it to know what it can do. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would never rely on it for something charging me. Hitting the head would be impossible and torso shots with a .22 won't do much more than slow an angry raccoon. I'd hate to see how little it affects a zombie.

So you'd have no problem someone shooting at you in the forehead with a .22 long rifle say... 10-15 meters away? Not scared at all? Put that to the test for me .

If I was running full sprint at them, and they were too new to be used to the recoil of a heavy rifle, then i'd bet you 20 bucks I could tackle them.

I'm not saying I would survive, but the zombie simply has to bite you for it not to matter.

Have you ever shot a running target?

Can you..... not read or something?
.22 != a heavy rifle
.50 == Heavy rifle
So you proved yourself wrong, congratulations.

Also, usually zombies entail shamblers, but if were going 28 days later esque, id rather have a close range weapon such as a 12 gauge then a .50 calibre if they can close their distance that quickly.

So either way a .50 cal is still not a good weapon to keep around in either case if your smart about your ammo consumption.

Uh, you said .22's are good for people because people aren't used to the recoil of a heavy rifle.

If they are that bad of a shot they couldn't hit me.

Please please please please please keep up with the convo.

Also, a .50 caliber is not a heavy rifle, it is a pistol as I explicitly stated. Please learn to read.

Would you like to point out where you said pistol? I did a ctrl + f search for "pistol" nothing turned up except your last post. Good job moron. Do you really think you can find a .50 cal pistol sitting around somewhere.

And by the way, specify next time, a .50 AE round is different than a .50 caliber Round in say an m82 Barrett Rifle.

A .22 isn't a heavy rifle. Please stop making yourself look this dumb with guns, I actually think you made up that cute little story about you hunting animals.

Please learn to not be this stupid.