Religions and such

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Religions and such
« on: June 11, 2009, 07:19:43 PM »
I of course have faith both religiously and in a hopeful way. I know alot of people that dont believe in any religions and I myself don't believe that out of 100's of Religions, that one of them is the correct one. What I do belive in is my religious faith, which I don't put a name on. I think that "Religious names" are to labeled.

Everyone that does have a certain religion; We all pretty much believe in the same things, we just go about honoring them in different ways. Some translate things differently. I dislike to see different Religions that argue and disagree with each other about who is going about it the right way. From my perspective all of them have good intentions with what the believe in. That should be all that really matters.

I don't think that you should believe in God or expect others to believe in God just because they shouldnt take a chance of being wrong. Although I do believe in Miracles. I have seen many things happen that I believe only God had a hand in. I feel that God has blessed our family and has help given us everything we have now. I remember times in my life when I was younger and things were really bad off. Everytime I would pray, God would always seem to make it better instantly. He has worked lots of miracles in my life.

On the other hand I personally dont think God is this mean "being" that judges you to hell if you dont believe in him. I think that if you are a good person and you do the right things in life that God will base his judgement on that. If you are one that doesnt believe in him; I think that when you do die and you do face him, I think he will allow you to either accept him and believe in him; or you can deny him still and he will possibly send you to hell or limbo.

They have many different definitions of limbo. One is 'Limbo of Infants" I totally disagree with this one. Since babies are completely innocent and dont remember anything they do; or can understand right from wrong.

The Limbo of Infants is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin. Since at least the time of Augustine, theologians, considering baptism to be necessary for the salvation of those to whom it can be administered have debated the fate of unbaptized innocents, and the theory of the Limbo of Infants is one of the hypotheses that have been formulated as a proposed solution. Some who hold this theory regard the Limbo of Infants as a state of maximum natural happiness, others as one of "mildest punishment" consisting at least of privation of the beatific vision and of any hope of obtaining it. This theory, in any of its forms, has never been dogmatically defined by the Church, but it is permissible to hold it. Recent Catholic theological speculation tends to stress the hope that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo; however, the directly opposed theological opinion also exists, namely that there is no afterlife state intermediate between salvation and damnation, and that all the unbaptized are damned.

Who really knows whats going to happen when we die. It is the biggest mistery and most seeked question we all would like to know.

I think we should all live our lives the best way we can and for those that do worship and love God; well I think its a beautiful thing. We are learning good values and morals none the less.

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 08:55:49 PM »
I agree that religious morals can help society, but I can't get by how much religion has held back scientific progress in the last thousand years or so.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 05:41:53 AM »

I don't think that you should believe in God or expect others to believe in God just because they shouldnt take a chance of being wrong. Although I do believe in Miracles. I have seen many things happen that I believe only God had a hand in. I feel that God has blessed our family and has help given us everything we have now. I remember times in my life when I was younger and things were really bad off. Everytime I would pray, God would always seem to make it better instantly. He has worked lots of miracles in my life.

I was in a bad situation once. I prayed. Nothing got better. I guess there isnt a god.

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On the other hand I personally dont think God is this mean "being" that judges you to hell if you dont believe in him. I think that if you are a good person and you do the right things in life that God will base his judgement on that. If you are one that doesnt believe in him; I think that when you do die and you do face him, I think he will allow you to either accept him and believe in him; or you can deny him still and he will possibly send you to hell or limbo.

What makes a "good" person and what are the "right things" in life?

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The Limbo of Infants is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin. Since at least the time of Augustine, theologians, considering baptism to be necessary for the salvation of those to whom it can be administered have debated the fate of unbaptized innocents, and the theory of the Limbo of Infants is one of the hypotheses that have been formulated as a proposed solution. Some who hold this theory regard the Limbo of Infants as a state of maximum natural happiness, others as one of "mildest punishment" consisting at least of privation of the beatific vision and of any hope of obtaining it. This theory, in any of its forms, has never been dogmatically defined by the Church, but it is permissible to hold it. Recent Catholic theological speculation tends to stress the hope that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo; however, the directly opposed theological opinion also exists, namely that there is no afterlife state intermediate between salvation and damnation, and that all the unbaptized are damned.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »
This should answer your question


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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 01:29:42 PM »
"I was in a bad situation once. I prayed. Nothing got better. I guess there isnt a god."

Okay first of all I think alot of people pray and they think God will just make all their problems disappear. If it worked that way no one would have any problems right? Life is going to be hard sometimes and you have to realize that you have the power to change most of the things in your life. Asking for a little help now and then though is okay! Just something to chew on.



"What makes a "good" person and what are the "right things" in life?"

Just use your common sense on this. What do you think makes up a good person?


"The Limbo of Infants is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin. Since at least the time of Augustine, theologians, considering baptism to be necessary for the salvation of those to whom it can be administered have debated the fate of unbaptized innocents, and the theory of the Limbo of Infants is one of the hypotheses that have been formulated as a proposed solution. Some who hold this theory regard the Limbo of Infants as a state of maximum natural happiness, others as one of "mildest punishment" consisting at least of privation of the beatific vision and of any hope of obtaining it. This theory, in any of its forms, has never been dogmatically defined by the Church, but it is permissible to hold it. Recent Catholic theological speculation tends to stress the hope that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo; however, the directly opposed theological opinion also exists, namely that there is no afterlife state intermediate between salvation and damnation, and that all the unbaptized are damned."


I was just giving an example of why I dont agree with alot of religions. For this very fact I happen to not agree on.

 






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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 03:08:28 PM »
There is a quote function, you know.


"I was in a bad situation once. I prayed. Nothing got better. I guess there isnt a god."

Okay first of all I think alot of people pray and they think God will just make all their problems disappear. If it worked that way no one would have any problems right? Life is going to be hard sometimes and you have to realize that you have the power to change most of the things in your life. Asking for a little help now and then though is okay! Just something to chew on.

Actually I never have prayed. I was just illustrating the absurdity of anecdotal evidence.


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"What makes a "good" person and what are the "right things" in life?"

Just use your common sense on this. What do you think makes up a good person?

Someone who doesnt believe in something without evidence. Something like god.

 

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 05:38:36 PM »
I think you are missing the point. Whether people are believers in God or Athiest, they can still be good people. Doesnt matter what you believe in. I believe in God and still believe in Science.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 06:23:23 PM »
I believe in God and still believe in Science.

How does one "believe" in science?

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 06:52:37 PM »
Whether people are believers in God or Athiest, they can still be good people.

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 09:00:57 PM »
If I were god, I would have made a perfect world. Afterall, I'm motherfucking God, I created everything and nature bends to my whim. Why would a "god" make such a failure of a mortal existence?

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 09:16:01 PM »
If I were god, I would have made a perfect world. Afterall, I'm motherfucking God, I created everything and nature bends to my whim. Why would a "god" make such a failure of a mortal existence?
two things.
A. Maybe he does consider it perfect.
B. Maybe he was bored.
just saying.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 09:24:50 PM »
If I were god, I would have made a perfect world. Afterall, I'm motherfucking God, I created everything and nature bends to my whim. Why would a "god" make such a failure of a mortal existence?
two things.
A. Maybe he does consider it perfect.
B. Maybe he was bored.
just saying.

But that goes against the notion of "just and fair" as God is often portrayed. Maybe they never read the fire and brimstone parts, of the salt pillar people...

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 09:31:59 PM »
If I were god, I would have made a perfect world. Afterall, I'm motherfucking God, I created everything and nature bends to my whim. Why would a "god" make such a failure of a mortal existence?

If I were god I would create a world in which I modeled the inhabitants after myself, purely for my own ego of course, then I would have them kill, rape, pillage, slaughter, oppress, depress, repress, impede progress and success, cause distress, bless, and then confess; all with little or no finesse.  I would command plagues kill thousands of innocent people.  I would demand armies rise in my name to slaughter other civilizations whom also worship me.  I would insist nothing less than the utmost devotion of every last man, woman, and child, good or bad.  If they had the audacity to think unkindly of me then I would retort by gleefully pressing them into eternal torture while I convinced the other, still living, inhabitants of my world that I love them unconditionally. Ha!  The fun's just begun!  I would flood the world, condone and promote incest, degrade women, command father's kill their children to test their resolve to try and quench my insatiable ego, I would spawn a son and torture him to death and then say it was so others sins can be forgiven (lol!), I would test my most devoted by killing their families, destroying their property and giving them plagues, I would grant some super powers as long as they never cut their hair, I would stop the sun in they sky, rain frogs from the heavens, turn rivers to blood, commune with the devil, destroy countless cities, suppress learning, demand that my followers burn libraries, enslave others, and commit genocide.  

The best part is that they will take all my iniquitous acts in stride!  In fact, they will embrace them!  They will still fall to their knees and worship me with their dying breath.  Why?  Because my minions, my peons, my sheep will have an innate disposition to feeling my unrequited love!  HA!  I am their creator, they will perish in vain on their death beds wanting nothing more than to be with me!  

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 09:34:59 PM »
Sounds fun and all, but what about the ones who call you a liar, hypocrite, and see through you as transparent as you really are?

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 09:40:56 PM »
Sounds fun and all, but what about the ones who call you a liar, hypocrite, and see through you as transparent as you really are?

Then the pits of hellfire await them.  They shall not stifle the unbridled misery and pain I wantonly dispense.  With any luck the more malleable of my followers will put them to death for me.

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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2009, 10:52:53 PM »
Sounds fun and all, but what about the ones who call you a liar, hypocrite, and see through you as transparent as you really are?

Then the pits of hellfire await them.  They shall not stifle the unbridled misery and pain I wantonly dispense.  With any luck the more malleable of my followers will put them to death for me.

So you admit in the end you are only as powerful as the people who worship you? What happens if all the people suddenly stop worshipping you? Where is your power now?

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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2009, 10:58:04 PM »
So you admit in the end you are only as powerful as the people who worship you? What happens if all the people suddenly stop worshipping you? Where is your power now?

I admit to nothing more than slovenly laziness.  My whims are as changing as the seasons.  I will cause suffering randomly to glean glee from both worshipers and heathens alike.  If however, my worshipers take it upon themselves to do my clear and unmisinterpretable bidding, all the better.  

Also, if they all stop worshiping me, that's where the floods come in.  Clean slate.  

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 05:50:39 AM »
The universe works just fine without 'god'. It's just people who seem to have trouble without the notion.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 06:25:58 AM »
The universe works just fine without 'god'. It's just people who seem to have trouble without the notion.


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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 07:04:50 AM »
The universe works just fine without 'god'. It's just people who seem to have trouble without the notion.

I think this post summarises religion quite nicely.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 01:07:06 PM »
The universe works just fine without 'god'. It's just people who seem to have trouble without the notion.

Yes the I think the world would work fine without God having to be publicized on everything.
If you want to believe in God I think it should be a private thing.
If seeing "In God we Trust" on everything bothers people.
We should take it off.
I dont see why people dont realize that even if we take "In God we Trust" off of everything, it shouldnt effect their beliefs of what they feel.

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2009, 02:40:59 PM »
Just a note on the whole plagues and wiping people out and stuff. Surely thats just God's way of population control?
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2009, 03:35:10 PM »
Yeah and like the people he wiped out were raping and butt raming each other and openly murdering others without consequences.

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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2009, 05:56:54 PM »
"In God we Trust"

All others pay cash.

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2009, 06:04:14 PM »
The universe works just fine without 'god'. It's just people who seem to have trouble without the notion.

Yes the I think the world would work fine without God having to be publicized on everything.

I'm not saying 'god' needs to try viral marketing or get a new publicist because his current strategy is overkill. I'm saying that the universe doesn't need a 'god' or 'gods' to work, end of story. People have difficulty believing in a universe without meaning, but the universe itself does just fine. Deities are created by people, for people, not the other way around.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2009, 06:49:50 PM »
Okay I understand your point.
We have different opinions about certain subjects.
I can leave it at that.  :)