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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1220 on: November 12, 2009, 07:38:13 PM »
Wow. If you're going to be a troll Nord, can you at least try harder.

I confess to becoming bored. I already proved the existence of mutations and their role in novel phenotypes on page 60 by explaining Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva.

Since he can't refute that, he just ignores it and starts attacking my religious identity and claiming that my refusal to demonize homosexuals is somehow un-Christian. I've kind of refuted everything he's saying already.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1221 on: November 12, 2009, 07:59:30 PM »
And what evidence is there of your theory?

What i believe isn't a theory, it's proven fact:

1. Man only began to document history less than 5,000 years ago.
2. Civilizations are only a few thousand years old i.e Ancient Rome, Greece, Babylon, Egypt.
3. World myths and traditions support Young Earth Creationist dates.

The evidence for the antiquity of man only goes back less than 5,000 years. Not billions or millions based on imaginary pseudo-hominids.

Evolution is disproved on the basis it's a modern theory. To understand you would have to understand traditionalism and respect for your ancestors, which blatently evolutionists have no idea about, which is why they are sell outs and follow a modern theory of materialistic pseudo-science...

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1222 on: November 12, 2009, 08:03:19 PM »
And what evidence is there of your theory?

What i believe isn't a theory, it's proven fact:

1. Man only began to document history less than 5,000 years ago.


Contradicted by all those 10,000 year old Neolithic ruins.... And all that cave artwork.

2. Civilizations are only a few thousand years old i.e Ancient Rome, Greece, Babylon, Egypt.


   
Except for the Mesopotamian ones which are significantly older.

3. World myths and traditions support Young Earth Creationist dates.


And Greek Mythology teaches that diseases are caused by Apollo, Son of Zeus, shooting you with an arrow. What the frack is your point?


The evidence for the antiquity of man only goes back less than 5,000 years. Not billions or millions based on imaginary pseudo-hominids.


Oh snap, a temple that was in use in 10,000 B.C.

Evolution is disproved on the basis it's a modern theory. To understand you would have to understand traditionalism and respect for your ancestors, which blatently evolutionists have no idea about, which is why they are sell outs and follow a modern theory of materialistic pseudo-science...


Your silly. Morals and "traditionalism" have nothing to do with science.  ::)

You are officially:

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1223 on: November 12, 2009, 08:29:58 PM »
 If there is any animal that breaks the rules of evolution in such a way that it could not possibly have evolved, the woodpecker is an example of such an animal.

The woodpecker's beak is unlike that of other birds. It is designed to hammer its way into the hardest of trees. If the woodpecker evolved, how would it develop its thick, tough beak? Let's suppose some bird decided that there must be all kinds of little critters which would be good for lunch hidden beneath the bark of trees. This bird decided to peck through the bark and into the hardwood tree. On first peck this bird discovered problems with the way it was put together. Its beak shattered when it was slammed against the tree, its tail feathers broke, and it developed a migraine-strength headache.

With a shattered beak, the little bird was unable to eat and so it died. Now this bird began to think, "I must evolve a thicker beak and stronger tail feathers and something to help prevent headaches." Of course not. Dead animals can not evolve anything. Yet the woodpecker not only has an industrial-strength beak, it also has a special cartilage between its head and beak to absorb some of the shock from the continuous drumming. Woodpeckers go home at night without a headache.

To help with the absorption of the constant pounding, the woodpecker has uniquely resilient tail feathers. It uses its tail feathers and feet to form a tripod effect as it clings to the tree. Even its feet are specially designed to enable it to move up, down, and around, vertical tree trunks. The feet of the woodpecker have two toes in front and two toes in back. Most other birds have three toes in front and one in back.

"This two-plus-two toe pattern....along with stiff yet elastic tail feathers, allows a woodpecker to grasp a tree firmly and balance itself on a vertical surface. When the woodpecker braces itself to chisel a hole, the tail feathers bend and spread, buttressing the bird against the rough tree surface. In this way feet and tail form an effective tripod to stabilize the blows of hammering into wood."

Suppose that somehow a bird, knowing there was lunch in those trees, developed the strong beak, the shock absorber cartilage between the beak and the skull, the ability to move its head faster than you can tap fingers, the "two-plus-two" feet and the super stiff yet elastic tail feathers. This bird still has a major problem. It will starve to death. How could it drag its lunch out of the little insect tunnels in the tree? Have you ever attempted to drag an insect larva out of a tunnel? They hang on!

God has taken care of the woodpecker by creating in it a tongue that is several times longer than the average bird's tongue. Lester and Bohlin comment:

"...the tongue of a woodpecker is in a class by itself. When chiseling into a tree, the woodpecker will occasionally come across insect tunnels. Its tongue is long and slender and is used to probe these tunnels for insects. The tip is like a spearhead with a number of barbs or hairs pointing rearward. This facilitates securing the insect while transporting it to the beak. A sticky gluelike substance coats the tongue to aid in this process as well."

What a fascinating creation! Not only does the woodpecker have little barbs on the tip of its tongue, it is also a mini glue factory. And the glue sticks securely to insects but does not stick to the beak of the woodpecker. Aren't God's creations marvelous!

But this is not all. Most birds have a tongue and a beak about the same length. The tongue of the woodpecker has evolutionists scratching their heads. It can be stretched far beyond the tip of the woodpecker's beak as it searches the larval tunnels for food. The animal kingdom displays no other tongues quite like that of the woodpecker. The tongue of some woodpeckers does not come from its throat up into its mouth like other creatures. The European Green woodpecker's tongue goes down the throat, out the back of the neck "...around the back of the skull beneath the skin, and over the top between the eyes, terminating usually just below the eye socket."  In some woodpeckers the tongue exits the skull between the eyes and enters the beak through one of the nostrils! How would this evolve? And from what ancestor did the woodpecker inherit its special beak, feet, tail feathers, shock absorbing cartilage, thicker skull and unique tongue?

The woodpecker displays the glory of his Creator who is also our Creator. Why would an evolutionist study a marvel of God's creation such as the woodpecker and still refuse to believe in God the Creator? Only one answer seems to make sense! Pride! Pride! Pride! "Rational," humanistic man thinks that he himself is the "...master of his fate and the captain of his soul...." This blinding pride does not allow the intrusion of a personal sovereign God, but rather sees man as the pinnacle of all that is.  Selfish bastards we are.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1224 on: November 12, 2009, 08:46:21 PM »
Honestly Wardogg, do you even bother reading these things before posting them? That was the weakest argument against evolution since Nord made his last post.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1225 on: November 12, 2009, 08:52:36 PM »
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html

I'm not going to bother copying and pasting like WD.  I will just post the link.  Seriously, do you ever do any fact checking on what you paste here?

Did you ever think that woodpeckers might have originally hammered there way into softer trees or fruit?  Like several different species of woodpecker do today.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1226 on: November 12, 2009, 11:39:30 PM »
Wow. If you're going to be a troll Nord, can you at least try harder.

Pete claims to be a christian. Yet supports homosexuality, supports evolution, and also believes white skin is a mutation.

All these are rejected in the bible.

The definition of Adam,  Strong?s Exhaustive Concordance, is: 

119: aw-dam?; to show blood (in the face) i.e. flush or turn rosy;

The bible states adam (the first man) was white skinned (only blood - haemoglobin shows under pale skin).

Again pete contradicts himself. You cant believe in evolution and mutations and bible.

Well according to the Notre Dame department of philosophy you can.

According to my Biology and Theology profs, you can.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1227 on: November 13, 2009, 12:06:28 AM »
Wow. If you're going to be a troll Nord, can you at least try harder.

Pete claims to be a christian. Yet supports homosexuality, supports evolution, and also believes white skin is a mutation.

All these are rejected in the bible.

The definition of Adam,  Strong?s Exhaustive Concordance, is: 

119: aw-dam?; to show blood (in the face) i.e. flush or turn rosy;

The bible states adam (the first man) was white skinned (only blood - haemoglobin shows under pale skin).

Again pete contradicts himself. You cant believe in evolution and mutations and bible.

Well according to the Notre Dame department of philosophy you can.

According to my Biology and Theology profs, you can.
According to 1.3 billion Catholics, you can.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1228 on: November 13, 2009, 02:51:11 AM »
well 60+ pages and evolution/mutations have not been proven.

Keep posting that and it will come true!

Oh no wait. That's never never land.

Go away troll.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1229 on: November 13, 2009, 04:57:21 AM »
And what evidence is there of your theory?

What i believe isn't a theory, it's proven fact:

1. Man only began to document history less than 5,000 years ago.


Contradicted by all those 10,000 year old Neolithic ruins.... And all that cave artwork.

2. Civilizations are only a few thousand years old i.e Ancient Rome, Greece, Babylon, Egypt.


   
Except for the Mesopotamian ones which are significantly older.

3. World myths and traditions support Young Earth Creationist dates.


And Greek Mythology teaches that diseases are caused by Apollo, Son of Zeus, shooting you with an arrow. What the frack is your point?


The evidence for the antiquity of man only goes back less than 5,000 years. Not billions or millions based on imaginary pseudo-hominids.


Oh snap, a temple that was in use in 10,000 B.C.

Evolution is disproved on the basis it's a modern theory. To understand you would have to understand traditionalism and respect for your ancestors, which blatently evolutionists have no idea about, which is why they are sell outs and follow a modern theory of materialistic pseudo-science...


Your silly. Morals and "traditionalism" have nothing to do with science.  ::)

You are officially:





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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1230 on: November 13, 2009, 07:55:50 AM »
Got a wiki link for fish that wear clothes?  No, didn't think so.
What a ridiculous argument.  You must have been infantry.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1231 on: November 13, 2009, 08:14:53 AM »
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Guys, if you want to post motivationals then go to 4chan. This is a serious discussion board, and your posts are expected to have some relevant content.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1232 on: November 13, 2009, 08:46:57 AM »
evolution is not compatible with theism. Especially not christianity. You are seriously confused. I also see your posts on this site supporting homosexuals and you believe skin is a mutation/evolution etc

All your beliefs are against what the bible teaches.

Is that where the source of thinking you've disproved anything comes from?  You think theism is incompatible with evolution, you believe in god, therefore evolution is proven wrong?

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read Lev 18:22-23, Lev 20:13, 1 Cor 6:9...for homosexuality: punishment is death, so why are you supporting it?

The "punishment" for everyone is death.  Last time I checked there isn't anyone living forever.  And if Leviticus is correct why is homosexuality still around?  Perhaps because it is a steaming pile of hatemongering BS?
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1233 on: November 13, 2009, 09:19:44 AM »
evolution is not compatible with theism. Especially not christianity. You are seriously confused. I also see your posts on this site supporting homosexuals and you believe skin is a mutation/evolution etc

All your beliefs are against what the bible teaches.

Is that where the source of thinking you've disproved anything comes from?  You think theism is incompatible with evolution, you believe in god, therefore evolution is proven wrong?

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read Lev 18:22-23, Lev 20:13, 1 Cor 6:9...for homosexuality: punishment is death, so why are you supporting it?

The "punishment" for everyone is death.  Last time I checked there isn't anyone living forever.  And if Leviticus is correct why is homosexuality still around?  Perhaps because it is a steaming pile of hatemongering BS?

This thread was concerned with evidence for evolution.

Yet over 60 pages and no evidence has been provided. It's irrelevant what my beliefs are, as this thread is about the evidence for evolution (which appears to be none so far presented).

What this thread has resorted to is the evoluitonists changing topic, and resorting to pasting pictures of people with physical deformities....any mention of the word hominid and they avoid that topic because they know they have no archeological or sceintific evidence to back up their claims of ape-men.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1234 on: November 13, 2009, 09:25:19 AM »
Nord, you are an ape, in every way, asking for an ape-man is like asking for a half beagle, half dog.  There are absolutely no traits commonly shared by all great ape species that aren't also seen in man, therefore we are apes.

What is your criteria for an ape man?  There are dozens of species of bipedal apes, that aren't homo sapien, is that what you mean?

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1235 on: November 13, 2009, 09:32:05 AM »

Yet over 60 pages and no evidence has been provided. It's irrelevant what my beliefs are, as this thread is about the evidence for evolution (which appears to be none so far presented).

Your lack of critical thinking and analytical ability are not our problems.  You have repeatedly been given evidence to show the case for evolution and you repeatedly ignore it.  You can't seem to wrap your head around the meaning of several terms we are using and continue to fall back on homophobe athiest comments.  Why are you so hung up on "ape men"?  Any evidence provided on that front, or any front you turn a blind eye to and throw up archaic garbage by "intellectuals" that is supposed to refute modern science.

You were given canis lupis familiaris as a prime example yet your argument is that they aren't a new species, yet there is no where, except in your convoluted head, that requires a new species for evolution.  The definition of evolution you want where someone wakes up tomorrow as a half man half bear & half pig isn't going to happen because that isn't evolution.

You are truly a waste of time.
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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1236 on: November 13, 2009, 09:42:37 AM »
Yet over 60 pages and no evidence has been provided.

Keep posting that and it will come true!

Oh no wait. That's never never land.

Go away troll.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1237 on: November 13, 2009, 11:17:28 AM »

Yet over 60 pages and no evidence has been provided. It's irrelevant what my beliefs are, as this thread is about the evidence for evolution (which appears to be none so far presented).

Your lack of critical thinking and analytical ability are not our problems.  You have repeatedly been given evidence to show the case for evolution and you repeatedly ignore it.  You can't seem to wrap your head around the meaning of several terms we are using and continue to fall back on homophobe athiest comments.  Why are you so hung up on "ape men"?  Any evidence provided on that front, or any front you turn a blind eye to and throw up archaic garbage by "intellectuals" that is supposed to refute modern science.

You were given canis lupis familiaris as a prime example yet your argument is that they aren't a new species, yet there is no where, except in your convoluted head, that requires a new species for evolution.  The definition of evolution you want where someone wakes up tomorrow as a half man half bear & half pig isn't going to happen because that isn't evolution.

You are truly a waste of time.



^^quoted for emphasis. I've already proved the existence of mutations, and that they lead to novel phenotypes, Nord. You can't simply arbitrarily claim the contrary without making any attempt at a refutation.  ::)

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1238 on: November 13, 2009, 02:07:32 PM »
three more irrelevant, spam posts from the evolutionists...

why are you avoiding to prove evolution? all you are doing is spamming this place up with posts not relevant to the thread topic.

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Re: Evolution didn't happen
« Reply #1239 on: November 13, 2009, 03:00:33 PM »
three more irrelevant, spam posts from the evolutionists...

why are you avoiding to prove evolution? all you are doing is spamming this place up with posts not relevant to the thread topic.

Because I already did prove it, back on page 60. We're waiting for you to try and provide a refutation other then straw men.