Unanswered questions in FET

...and why do we ALWAYS see only the ONE side/facet/face/hemisphere of the moon... (the man in the moon) ...surely we would (as a widely distributed human race) be able to see more than this one face, especially given the FE explanation of the dynamics of the moon's pathway across the Flat Earth.

Really Tom? 

If the phases change as the moon changes position in relation to the observer, why doesn't (on a FE) the phase change as the moon passed overhead?

The moon and sun are rotating at almost the same rate opposite of each other around the hub of the earth. That's why the phases don't change as dramatically as if the sun were static. The moon moves 26 minutes slower than the sun. This gradual shift in relation to the sun changes its phase over one lunar month.

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Really Tom? 

If the phases change as the moon changes position in relation to the observer, why doesn't (on a FE) the phase change as the moon passed overhead?

The moon and sun are rotating at almost the same rate opposite of each other around the hub of the earth. That's why the phases don't change as dramatically as if the sun were static. The moon moves 26 minutes slower than the sun. This gradual shift in relation to the sun changes its phase over one lunar month.

That doesn't explains why, no matter where you are in the world or during what phase, we always see the exact same side of the moon (and it is always oriented the same, not rotated or whatever). It also doesn't explain that whenever the moon is a certain phase, it has that same phase from wherever it is visible.

That doesn't explains why, no matter where you are in the world or during what phase, we always see the exact same side of the moon (and it is always oriented the same, not rotated or whatever).

That's not true. The phases appear upside-down in the Southern Hemisphere.

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That doesn't explains why, no matter where you are in the world or during what phase, we always see the exact same side of the moon (and it is always oriented the same, not rotated or whatever).

That's not true. The phases appear upside-down in the Southern Hemisphere.

As in, when it appears to cross the sky, it doesn't rotate clockwise or counterclockwise.

As in, when it appears to cross the sky, it doesn't rotate clockwise or counterclockwise.

Why would it? The moon is moving in relation to the sun as it passes overhead, with an imperceptibly slight difference.

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As in, when it appears to cross the sky, it doesn't rotate clockwise or counterclockwise.

Why would it? The moon is moving in relation to the sun as it passes overhead, with an imperceptibly slight difference.

What causes phases again? Being that a lunar cycle is not a solar cycle, and that my other points remain, please explain our observations.

What causes phases again?

The difference in the moon's position in relation to the sun causes the phases.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.

The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.

When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes.

You know Tom, this may well be a really good explaination for day and night on Earth...

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What causes phases again?

The difference in the moon's position in relation to the sun causes the phases.

When one observes the phases of the moon he is simply observing the moon's day and night, a natural shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.

The moon does not appear to move at the same speed as the sun, nor does its phase change throughout the day.

The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.

When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes.

What?

The moon does not appear to move at the same speed as the sun, nor does its phase change throughout the day.

Actually the moon does move at about the same speed of the sun, except that it sets 28 minutes later.

And I never said that it did change phase throughout the day. The moon changes phase depending on its position in relation to the sun.

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The moon does not appear to move at the same speed as the sun, nor does its phase change throughout the day.

Actually the moon does move at about the same speed of the sun, except that it sets 28 minutes later.

And I never said that it did change phase throughout the day. The moon changes phase depending on its position in relation to the sun.

If the moon moved at the same speed as the sun, then it would circle the earth in 24 hours, regardless of the time shift. In reality, it takes about 27 days. Try again.

If the moon moved at the same speed as the sun, then it would circle the earth in 24 hours, regardless of the time shift. In reality, it takes about 27 days. Try again.

No, the moon circles the earth every 24 hours. It takes 27 days for the moon to complete one lunar cycle in respect to its phases.

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If the moon moved at the same speed as the sun, then it would circle the earth in 24 hours, regardless of the time shift. In reality, it takes about 27 days. Try again.

No, the moon circles the earth every 24 hours. It takes 27 days for the moon to complete one lunar cycle in respect to its phases.

Wrong. It completes the lunar cycle in about 29.53 days. It circles the earth in 27.3 days, while the earth completes a rotation once every 24 hours. Translate these observations to FET, and you have a moon moving at a different speed than the sun.

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If the moon moved at the same speed as the sun, then it would circle the earth in 24 hours, regardless of the time shift. In reality, it takes about 27 days. Try again.

No, the moon circles the earth every 24 hours. It takes 27 days for the moon to complete one lunar cycle in respect to its phases.

Wrong. It completes the lunar cycle in about 29.53 days. It circles the earth in 27.3 days, while the earth completes a rotation once every 24 hours. Translate these observations to FET, and you have a moon moving at a different speed than the sun.

No, you seem to misunderstand.  In FET the moon circles the earth every 24 hours (or so; I'm not claiming that this is an exact figure).  It takes 29.53 days to complete the lunar cycle; that relates to the moon's orbit in comparison to the sun's orbit.  The lunar cycle is entirely dependent on the moon's position relative to the sun from the point of view of the earth's surface.

But the moon does not circle the earth in 24 hours. In RET, the moon takes 27 days to circle the earth WHILE the earth completes a rotation each day. Hence, the moon does not appear to move at the same speed of the sun. FET does not account for this observation.

But the moon does not circle the earth in 24 hours.

Yes it does. The moon rises and sets every night.

In RET, the moon takes 27 days to circle the earth WHILE the earth completes a rotation each day. Hence, the moon does not appear to move at the same speed of the sun. FET does not account for this observation.

I told you. In FET the moon is moving at about the same rate of the sun except that it moves 28 minutes slower. It's the same rate as your rotating earth / orbiting moon nonsense.

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But the moon does not circle the earth in 24 hours.

Yes it does. The moon rises and sets every night.

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In RET, the moon takes 27 days to circle the earth WHILE the earth completes a rotation each day. Hence, the moon does not appear to move at the same speed of the sun. FET does not account for this observation.

I told you. In FET the moon is moving at about the same rate of the sun except that it moves 28 minutes slower. It's the same rate as your rotating earth / orbiting moon nonsense.

Still wrong. In 24 hours, the moon would travel the distance needed to circle the flat earth plus or minus (depending on the direction difference of which I'm currently not certain) 10/273rds of that distance in order to match up with observation. On a round earth, the moon takes 27.3 days to make an orbit with respect to the fixed stars. Look it up.