"Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2007, 04:22:17 AM »
Cool. So, Zetetic = flawed.
Therefore FE = flawed.
TB may have to come fix his theory again.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2007, 04:29:09 AM »
especially when Tom Bishop is clearly biased in his assumptions about the shape of the Earth when doing his "experiments."

Plus the fact that he's doing them to prove a hypothesis.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2007, 05:33:02 AM »
Exactly.If he claims to follow the Zetetic method, he is lying. If he actualy proves he's usingtheZetetic metho,d then he uses a flawed method and therefore has flawed evidence.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2007, 09:24:23 AM »
Sigh. How many times do I have to say "focus"? It's bad enough that the FEers tend to distract us from the main point in these debates; we don't need the REers doing it too. Tom never said that the zetetic method doesn't involve making a hypothesis before performing an experiment, and you know it. If he comes in and says that directly, then attack that point. Until then, please, let's not derail this discussion.

I ask, again, if anybody has a relevant portion on Garwood's book about Wallace's experiment, or, for that matter, any other reproduction of Rowbotham's experiments. I don't think Tom should be able to win his line of argument simply by citing a source that's unavailable to me at the moment.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2007, 09:48:49 AM »
Sigh.

Zetetic \Ze*tet"ic\, a. [Gr. ?, fr. ? to seek: cf. F.
   z['e]t['e]tique.]
   Seeking; proceeding by inquiry.

   Zetetic method (Math.), the method used for finding the
      value of unknown quantities by direct search, in
      investigation, or in the solution of problems. [R.]
      --Hutton.

See. No hypotheses, no observation. I'm right, you're wrong. None of what we were talking about has detracted from the main point in the debate.

If Tom Bishop is using a different method to this, then he is not using the Zetetic Method and is a liar. If he is using this method, then his results are inconclusive and inadmissable.

The End.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2007, 09:51:56 AM »
That's clearly not what Rowbotham meant, though, because he clearly started with the hypothesis that the earth is flat before conducting his experiment. Tom's argument is consistent with this idea. We're discussing Rowbotham's idea of zetetics, not the dictionary's.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2007, 10:21:29 AM »
If it's defined by the dictionary, that's what it is. If they're using a different method, then they shouldn't be calling it the Zetetic Method, Zetetic Astronomy, whatever.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2007, 10:23:58 AM »
That's true, but the method itself is more important here than what it's being called. A rose by any other name, y'know.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2007, 11:22:57 AM »
In other words, what I said.

Actually, it's exactly the opposite. Rowbotham describes the Zetetic process as putting all hypothesis and conjecture aside and letting the results of tests, trials, and experiments speak the facts of the matter.

He actually says there is no hypothesis in the Zetetic method. Rowbotham obviously did not follow this method, since this method is flawed.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2007, 12:03:07 PM »
focus n. - what I would like but am not getting in this discussion.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2007, 12:14:36 PM »
If it's defined by the dictionary, that's what it is.

Thats a bit short sighted.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2007, 12:31:17 PM »
The Zetetic method throws out all previous science and starts an inquiry afresh and seeks from experience.

I believe it was the Wright Brothers who said:

"Science theory held us up for years. When we threw out all science, started from experiment and experience, only then did we invent the airplane."

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2007, 01:31:31 PM »
That reminds me of another quote:
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I'm an IDIOT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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there is no optical light, there is just light and theres no other type of light unless you start talkling about energy saving lightbulbs compared to other types of light bulbs
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2007, 02:21:46 PM »
Ugh. I give up. I fully expected to, of course... I'm just surprised that it's the other REers who made me do so.

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2007, 04:29:02 PM »
I think TB has defined it numerous times. Although not as clear as you wish it. I apologise for dragging the thread off-topic.

TB, give the man what he asked for please.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2007, 07:11:49 PM »
Ugh. I give up. I fully expected to, of course... I'm just surprised that it's the other REers who made me do so.
Fuckin' lightweight.

Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2007, 07:14:23 PM »
The real Bishop is bad enough without having to deal with a fake one. :P

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2007, 01:11:57 AM »
The Zetetic method throws out all previous science and starts an inquiry afresh and seeks from experience.

I believe it was the Wright Brothers who said:

"Science theory held us up for years. When we threw out all science, started from experiment and experience, only then did we invent the airplane."
I hope it was the Wright Brothers.  Otherwise they were delusional.  ::)
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2007, 02:58:09 AM »
A Fake Bishop? There are hundreds of us. Millions.
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Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2007, 04:32:52 AM »
You are legion.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: "Zetetic": looking for a simple, clear, concise definition
« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2007, 08:08:48 AM »
That's it. Thread locked.