The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Franc T., Planar on March 13, 2007, 04:17:50 PM
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(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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can you explain this ? wtf is it
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This is a challenge to your belief system, can you explain it?
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LOL maybe if u tell me what it is first ? it looks like a 3D .gif animation . . ?
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Okay, stay on your bong and let someone who's not on drugs try to answer...
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for one, marijuana is a plant not a drug, for two, what does smoking pot even have to do with this subject ? for three, can YOU even tell me what the fuck you just posted ? cuz i dont think you can .. many intelligent people smoke pot dumbass, it's not the devil like you think everything else is
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the little blocks go around the right bar go around the bottom bar and around the left one and the loop continues
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the little blocks go around the right bar go around the bottom bar and around the left one and the loop continues
LOL
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Congratulations, you found something that's an imposible optical illusion.
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where the fuck are you ? ahaha
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Doesn't look impossible to me. Maybe I'm missing something.
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So it takes an optical illusion to prove the Earth is flat? Thats funny.
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So it takes an optical illusion to prove the Earth is flat? Thats funny.
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what's the point of this, what's it prove ? what does this even say really
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I don't even get why it's an optical illusion. It's just a chain of blocks following a path around some metal rods.
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all the rods are in the same plane, and the chain is just following it, big deal ?
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OGM HE PROZED THE EARTN IS FLAT ZOMFGZORS!!1!111!11!
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The bricks never change elevation. They go under one side and over another without changing their "height"
So, it appears that it goes in a chain but it's imposible because if you tried to make one in real life the rods would have to be at different heights. It's kind of like the staircase that keeps going down but is actually a square.
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But the rods appear to be at different heights thus destroying the illusion.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip
What are you trying to say though? How does this support FE or debunk RE?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip
What are you trying to say though? How does this support FE or debunk RE?
because he read Earth: Not a Globe..... Twice.
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No Round Earther can explain this? Then your belief system is a sham.
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No Round Earther can explain this? Then your belief system is a sham.
ok dude
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can you explain this franc ? you've still failed to, even your precious FEers are asking wtf this does
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The fact that you cannot explain it, proves that your belief system is a sham.
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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The fact that you cannot explain it, proves that your belief system is a sham.
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
1) You didn't say what you wanted to be explained.
2) It's a GIF, not a real picture.
3) It not being able to be proven, since it's not real, has no correlation to whether or not the world is round or flat.
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Quite incorrect. This picture elegantly contains all of your Round Earthist premises. And it is a contradiction. It shows what a fraud your religion is.
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explain then douchebag
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Quite incorrect. This picture elegantly contains all of your Round Earthist premises. And it is a contradiction. It shows what a fraud your religion is.
You didn't attempt to say how. Or anything at all. You just make a conclusion without saying any of your reasons behinds your thought/less process.
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(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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Quite incorrect. This picture elegantly contains all of your Round Earthist premises. And it is a contradiction. It shows what a fraud your religion is.
You are retarded.
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(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
You lose.
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Reality always wins against belief.
Round Earthism is a religion, nothing more. It will be relegated to the dustbin of historical insanity.
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Reality always wins against belief.
Flat Earthism is a religion, nothing more. It will be relegated to the dustbin of historical insanity.
Your opinion wouldn't change if you were in space yourself.
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Flat Earth does not depend on hostility of the kind displayed by you and your ilk. Flat Earth does not depend on lies and pseudo-science. Flat Earth is not a religion, it is fact.
You are no better than Jerry Falwell or Fred Phelps. Your ideology of hatred is imposed by the education system, the government, and other religions. When they fall, you will fall also.
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Flat Earth does not depend on hostility of the kind displayed by you and your ilk. Flat Earth does not depend on lies and pseudo-science. Flat Earth is not a religion, it is fact.
You are no better than Jerry Falwell or Fred Phelps. Your ideology of hatred is imposed by the education system, the government, and other religions. When they fall, you will fall also.
By my ilk? I haven't made one hostile comment besides calling you dipshit because you like to use only certain definitions of words.
You can't prove Flat Earth just like no one on this forum can prove Round Earth.
And if you can, let's see it. I challenge you right here.
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flat earth DOES depend on believing is what you see tho, since these people are all delusional, at least, from what i can tell, franc is, but if you believe the earth is flat, you will start seeing their magical ways
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No, seeing what you believe is not "delusional." It is a common phenomenon experienced by everyone at some point. When I used to believe that the Earth was round (due to the brainwashing we are all given in school), I thought I "saw" a horizon and ships dissapearing bottom first. When I trusted my senses more and realized the truth, the illusion dissapeared.
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No, seeing what you believe is not "delusional." It is a common phenomenon experienced by everyone at some point. When I used to believe that the Earth was round (due to the brainwashing we are all given in school), I thought I "saw" a horizon and ships dissapearing bottom first. When I trusted my senses more and realized the truth, the illusion dissapeared.
You're a hypocrite. You can't even use your own logic on yourself.
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yea franc, you're a moron
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easy its a magic trick take a piece of paper and cut it move one side around and tape it done....... or with that 3 side one put a bar in side the loop twist a side another bar and leave the side another bar
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(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
I will do my best.
(P.S. this is my first post, so if I mess up on any terminology, I apologize in advance)
Here is a series of pictures, or a movie, or an optical illusion, or whatnot that appears to break the rules of the "Round Earth Religion." We will call this, for simplicity sake, "the object", whatever it happens to be.
Anyone viewing this object is viewing it on a computer screen.
Turn your screen 90 degrees. You can see that it is a flat screen, or perhaps slightly curved if it is of older design.
My point is that any image viewed on a flat screen is in fact a 2D image - there is no true depth, for parts of an image that appear deepest in the screen are in fact no farther away from your eyes than the rest of the image.
So here is a 2D image, that when interpreted in 3D space, appears to break a few rules.
But it is not 3D, it is 2D, and any apparent "depth" is simply an illusion created by the eyes and the mind. And not necessarily are only objects listed as "optical illusions" create an illusion - any object on any monitor, or piece of paper, is of course, actually merely a 2D image. I hope that both followers of the "Round Earth Religion" as well as the "Flat Earth Religion" can agree to this. If you can't, please let me know.
With the knowledge that this "object" is in fact merely a series of 2D images, it can be said that there are no bars, and there are no blocks, only 2D representations of bars and blocks, using many visual techniques to give the appearance of depth and solidity.
As the "object" is made up of only richly coloured and textured moving shapes, it breaks no "Round Earth Religion" rules, as it is, merely, moving shapes.
And I think that is how the "Round Earth Religion" explains this.
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
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umm, ur .gif is animated and not a picture ? sorry :(
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In the end, what you see is on a monitor. The monitor is producing many still, 2D pictures per second. Thus, this animation is broken down into a series of images in order to be displayed.
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
Retards?
Way to be a hypocrite again.
Were you also brain washed into thinking that you are a human? What about that you actually exist? Can you prove that the matrix isn't real? Do you know for a fact that you aren't living in your mind?
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
Retards?
Way to be a hypocrite again.
Were you also brain washed into thinking that you are a human? What about that you actually exist? Can you prove that the matrix isn't real? Do you know for a fact that you aren't living in your mind?
Do YOU?
After all, you already bought into a constructed reality- Round Earthism. How do you know nothing else in your mind is constructed?
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Francois Tremblay, I was wondering if you would be willing to acknowledge that I have answered your original question from this thread. If I haven't, please feel free to say so, and please feel even more free to explain why.
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In the end, what you see is on a monitor. The monitor is producing many still, 2D pictures per second. Thus, this animation is broken down into a series of images in order to be displayed.
Yes...?
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
Retards?
Way to be a hypocrite again.
Were you also brain washed into thinking that you are a human? What about that you actually exist? Can you prove that the matrix isn't real? Do you know for a fact that you aren't living in your mind?
Do YOU?
After all, you already bought into a constructed reality- Round Earthism. How do you know nothing else in your mind is constructed?
I don't. But at the same time, that logic also works for you, in thinking/knowing/whateveryouwanttocallit that the earth is flat. How do you know that what you think is fact isn't actually something in your mind, because clearly everything we think we know, according to you, is.
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
Retards?
Way to be a hypocrite again.
Were you also brain washed into thinking that you are a human? What about that you actually exist? Can you prove that the matrix isn't real? Do you know for a fact that you aren't living in your mind?
Do YOU?
After all, you already bought into a constructed reality- Round Earthism. How do you know nothing else in your mind is constructed?
I don't. But at the same time, that logic also works for you, in thinking/knowing/whateveryouwanttocallit that the earth is flat. How do you know that what you think is fact isn't actually something in your mind, because clearly everything we think we know, according to you, is.
What the hell are you on? Everything I think is in my mind. That's what thinking MEANS.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=thinking
1 : to form or have in the mind
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You didn't answer my question.
You believe the earth is flat, and according to your logic, if you believe it is flat, you will see it as flat.
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You didn't answer my question.
You believe the earth is flat, and according to your logic, if you believe it is flat, you will see it as flat.
And yet I used to believe the Earth was round, but I came to see it as flat, because I was honest enough to accept the facts when I realized them. When have you ever heard of a Flat Earther converting to Round Earthism?
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You didn't answer my question.
You believe the earth is flat, and according to your logic, if you believe it is flat, you will see it as flat.
And yet I used to believe the Earth was round, but I came to see it as flat, because I was honest enough to accept the facts when I realized them. When have you ever heard of a Flat Earther converting to Round Earthism?
Were scientists in the 1600's brainwashed to believe the earth is round? Where did Magellan's idea's come from? He must have at some point believed that it was flat, and other people at that time must have believed the same. What convinced them to change their ways?
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This thread was a poor attempt at an analogy for "believing is seeing".
It fails in its true attempts to do the following:
1) Address the point of the thread as being an analogy for "believing is seeing"
2) Proving that by using an analogy for the phrase "believing is seeing" by using a .GIF image somehow proves that the Earth is not round.
3) Explaining any thought process what-so-ever.
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You didn't answer my question.
You believe the earth is flat, and according to your logic, if you believe it is flat, you will see it as flat.
And yet I used to believe the Earth was round, but I came to see it as flat, because I was honest enough to accept the facts when I realized them. When have you ever heard of a Flat Earther converting to Round Earthism?
I was just thinking about this. They did experiments and collected data. The then analyzed the data and found that the earth was round so they CHANGED THEIR MIND.
Were scientists in the 1600's brainwashed to believe the earth is round? Where did Magellan's idea's come from? He must have at some point believed that it was flat, and other people at that time must have believed the same. What convinced them to change their ways?
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You didn't answer my question.
You believe the earth is flat, and according to your logic, if you believe it is flat, you will see it as flat.
And yet I used to believe the Earth was round, but I came to see it as flat, because I was honest enough to accept the facts when I realized them. When have you ever heard of a Flat Earther converting to Round Earthism?
Were scientists in the 1600's brainwashed to believe the earth is round? Where did Magellan's idea's come from? He must have at some point believed that it was flat, and other people at that time must have believed the same. What convinced them to change their ways?
Who said they did?
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This is a challenge to your belief system, can you explain it?
What it is, is a Möbius Strip
It,s a one-sided nonorientable surface you can make one yourself by cutting a strip of paper, give it a 180° twist and then glue together. The maths for the area element,the perimeter and the Gaussian and mean curvatures are available but involved they mainly involve integrations of trig functions. What would you like to know about them?
Ive heard that conveyor belt manufacturers occasionally use them to double the service life of some belts.
If you find Möbius Strips interesting try googling Klein bottles similar and very interesting.
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Thomo, thank you very much. You only understood the superficial level of my argument, but at least you got something. I seriously wish I could give you some kind of award for how superior you are to most Round Earthers on this board.
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Thomo, thank you very much. You only understood the superficial level of my argument, but at least you got something. I seriously wish I could give you some kind of award for how superior you are to most Round Earthers on this board.
Hello Francois,
Hope life finds you in good health.
My initial impression of your post was that I suspected it was a veiled reference and half proof of your essentially two dimensional interpretation of what RE's see as essentially three dimensional.
Was it more along the lines of seeing is NOT understanding?
I very much agree if that was your intent.But, it is a two edged sword as you do need an open mind and a willingness to adjust your views in the weight of contrary evidence.
I have been very careful in all my posts only to ask not to take a firm stance ,
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Thomo, you still surprise me with your intelligence. You are getting closer to the truth with every post. You are a real searcher for the truth.
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http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11289.0
i coulda added hundreds more if i wanted to
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It's an optical illusion. That's all. It serves as no proof that the Earth is flat.
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What is a fancy mobius strip supposed to prove?
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What is a fancy mobius strip supposed to prove?
Why your belief system is a sham. Thomo is getting pretty close to the truth, and he may discover it soon, if he applies himself.
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What is a fancy mobius strip supposed to prove?
I think it proves Francois uses meth.
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What is a fancy mobius strip supposed to prove?
Why your belief system is a sham. Thomo is getting pretty close to the truth, and he may discover it soon, if he applies himself.
I see. So since a Fancy 3D modeling of a blockified mobius strip moves around three poles at different heights it proves your beliefs and refutes our facts?
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All he's trying to say is the world is flat is because when he looks at it, it is flat. When we look at it, it is round because we were taught it was round.
Then he tells us he didn't think the world was flat when he started to see it as flat. Though before that he said that he started to doubt that the world was round before he started to see it as flat. So his subconscious mind being unable to comprehend the evidence for a round world, while looking at a clearly flat one (though it's 25,000 miles around and your 6 feet off it), made it appear flat to his rational mind as well. Your subconscious is tricking your conscious into thinking the world is flat.
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What is a fancy mobius strip supposed to prove?
Why your belief system is a sham. Thomo is getting pretty close to the truth, and he may discover it soon, if he applies himself.
I see. So since a Fancy 3D modeling of a blockified mobius strip moves around three poles at different heights it proves your beliefs and refutes our facts?
You do not think, and therefore all you see is a mobius strip.
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I guess I was right then. Unless you can refute what I said.
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Can you explain this?
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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Can you explain this?
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
can you???
a wire going under and over the bars would act the same DONE
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Francois, can you explain this?
(http://www.keymedia.co.uk/resources/images/creative.jpg)
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Can you explain this?
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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indeed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recycle001.svg
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It's an optical illusion Frenchy.
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It's an optical illusion Frenchy.
How many times do I have to correct you racist fanatics? I am not from France.
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Francois, can you explain this?
(http://www.keymedia.co.uk/resources/images/creative.jpg)
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http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11289.0
i coulda added hundreds more if i wanted to
this proves the earth flat belief system is a shame!
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Francois, can you explain this?
(http://www.keymedia.co.uk/resources/images/creative.jpg)
looks like he cant, guess that proves the World is round.
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Oh, so you can't even explain it yourself, Francis?
Too bad, then.
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(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
(http://www.uncg.edu/%7Ewhanthon/optical_illusions_aug05/mobius.gif)
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All he's trying to say is the world is flat is because when he looks at it, it is flat. When we look at it, it is round because we were taught it was round.
Then he tells us he didn't think the world was flat when he started to see it as flat. Though before that he said that he started to doubt that the world was round before he started to see it as flat. So his subconscious mind being unable to comprehend the evidence for a round world, while looking at a clearly flat one (though it's 25,000 miles around and your 6 feet off it), made it appear flat to his rational mind as well. Your subconscious is tricking your conscious into thinking the world is flat.
I am still waiting for you to answer me. Is this right and if not tell my why it is wrong. You just ignored it last time. So either you are too stupid to understand it, or I'm right. I'll assume the first unless you say otherwise.
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Don't even bother; he's on a spamming spree.
The first time is really fun, eh, Francois?
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So, the image makes a statement that an optical illusion is not necessarily true.
So that means the optical illusion, that the Earth is flat, is not necessarily true.
Francois, are you not an FE'er?
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So, the image makes a statement that an optical illusion is not necessarily true.
So that means the optical illusion, that the Earth is flat, is not necessarily true.
Francois, are you not an FE'er?
Yes, I am an FEer. Your interpretation is incorrect. The flatness is not an optical illusion: your belief in the "horizon" is.
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So, the image makes a statement that an optical illusion is not necessarily true.
So that means the optical illusion, that the Earth is flat, is not necessarily true.
Francois, are you not an FE'er?
Yes, I am an FEer. Your interpretation is incorrect. The flatness is not an optical illusion: your belief in the "horizon" is.
My definition is still more accurate.
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The only thing this image "proves" is that optical illusions can be made with SMAX3D. Not that the Earth is flat, lol.
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Francois, can you explain this?
(http://www.keymedia.co.uk/resources/images/creative.jpg)
looks like he cant, guess that proves the World is round.
Damn right.
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I, Francois Tremblay, of the Infinite Plane, am offended!
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By what? A rubber duck?
And you still havn't explained it.
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I, Francois Tremblay, of the Infinite Plane, answer that the rubber duck represents the emptiness of your soul.
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Wrong. Earth is round. You lose, go home.
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Wrong. Earth is round. You lose, go home.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
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Wrong. Earth is round. You lose, go home.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
The Earth is round. The Earth moves around its own axle and the sun which moves around the galaxy.
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Wrong. Earth is round. You lose, go home.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
The Earth is round. The Earth moves around its own axle and the sun which moves around the galaxy.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
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Just because you repeat it, it doesn't get more real.
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And yet it is real.
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Dude. The whole world is against you, save for a few people. Give up. It's like trying to shovel away a moveing avalanche. Even if I go away from here someone will follow who will be against you and your ridiculous explanations for the Earth's broken link to reality.
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Dude, it's not the same person; it's probably a round earther who thought it funny to play devil's advocate in a stupid way.
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Oh, well, then, it is the same person. Carry on.
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Wrong. Earth is round. You lose, go home.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
The Earth is round. The Earth moves around its own axle and the sun which moves around the galaxy.
The Earth is not round. The Earth does not move.
Doesn't move? What happened to the Earth moving upwards to cause what RE'ers think of as gravity?
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Relative to me, it's not moving.
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Relative to me, it's not moving.
If that were true you would float into space.
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I just spent the last two minutes measuring my distance from the earth. It never changed.
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I just spent the last two minutes measuring my distance from the earth. It never changed.
Yes, that does happen when you stand on the ground.
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Then, relative to me, the earth is not moving, which is what I said.
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Then, relative to me, the earth is not moving, which is what I said.
But according to your theory the earth is accelerating, while you are not, thus keeping you on the ground. So relative to you the earth is indeed moving.
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Then, relative to me, the earth is not moving, which is what I said.
But according to your theory the earth is accelerating, while you are not, thus keeping you on the ground. So relative to you the earth is indeed moving.
I am accelerating, due to the mechanical resistance of the earth. However, relative to the earth, I'm not going anywhere.
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Then, relative to me, the earth is not moving, which is what I said.
But according to your theory the earth is accelerating, while you are not, thus keeping you on the ground. So relative to you the earth is indeed moving.
I am accelerating, due to the mechanical resistance of the earth. However, relative to the earth, I'm not going anywhere.
In that sense of things then yes the earth is still relative to you.
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Glad we got that cleared up. ::)
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Don't wear out the rolly eyes face.
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Let me explain this more slowly for you retards:
1. Like everyone else, I was brainwashed into believing the Earth was round.
2. When I looked at stuff, I saw what I was supposed to see. BELIEVING IS SEEING- or more exactly: Those who believe, interpret what they see differently, and are blind to the differences.
3. But I started doubting this belief, and as I doubted, I started realizing what I was really seeing.
4. I was freed from the evil belief in Round Earthism.
So you are tricking your mind into seeing things. Well done?
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That's what I've been saying...
Hey Francois are you going to address this yet?
All he's trying to say is the world is flat is because when he looks at it, it is flat. When we look at it, it is round because we were taught it was round.
Then he tells us he didn't think the world was flat when he started to see it as flat. Though before that he said that he started to doubt that the world was round before he started to see it as flat. So his subconscious mind being unable to comprehend the evidence for a round world, while looking at a clearly flat one (though it's 25,000 miles around and your 6 feet off it), made it appear flat to his rational mind as well. Your subconscious is tricking your conscious into thinking the world is flat.
I am still waiting for you to answer me Francois. Is this right and if not tell my why it is wrong. You just ignored it last time. So either you are too stupid to understand it, or I'm right. I'll assume the first unless you say otherwise.
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My view of the Earth as flat has nothing to do with my subconscious. I simply let my guard down long enough to be able to see what was there, without the belief system interpreting it for me. And thus I was enlightened.
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My view of the Earth as flat has nothing to do with my subconscious. I simply let my guard down long enough to be able to see what was there, without the belief system interpreting it for me. And thus I was enlightened.
That's just what your subconscious wants you to think.
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My view of the Earth as flat has nothing to do with my subconscious. I simply let my guard down long enough to be able to see what was there, without the belief system interpreting it for me. And thus I was enlightened.
That's just what your subconscious wants you to think.
Interesting.
Similar to a conspiracy theorist, the RE mind does not accept any counter-evidence, and just points it as part of the conspiracy.
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Interesting.
Similar to a conspiracy theorist, the RE mind does not accept any counter-evidence, and just points it as part of the conspiracy.
What conspiracy am I talking about? Very little is known about the subconscious and what it can do. Severe phobias are often attributed to severe trauma repressed to the subconscious. All dreams are results of the subconscious. That's called psychology.
This is somehow less plausible than a Global conspiracy to make everyone think the earth is round to you? I can see where your problems may be coming from now.
Which of these two theories relies heavily upon conspiracy again? The irony of what you consider a defense is priceless.
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The Subconscious can explain everything. The Subconscious can make you believe he's not there, but he's always there, lying to you constantly. All Hail the Subconscious!
Round Earthers... what a laugh.
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Again the irony of your defense is priceless.
Francois what a laugh.
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The Subconscious can explain everything. The Subconscious can make you believe he's not there, but he's always there, lying to you constantly. All Hail the Subconscious!
Round Earthers... what a laugh.
So Francois... If I got high on DXM or Ex... and I saw some freaky stuff, like dancing trees, or a smiling moon... does that mean that what I saw was real and always there to begin with? I could run around afterwards telling everyone about what I saw, but the truth is, it never existed anywhere but in my own mind. Which is where my subconscience resides.
Just because you "see" something doesn't make it true. That's why we call them optical illusions, and also why we use actual facts, logic, science, and reason to explain what is really going on.
If you want to use an optical illusion to try and debunk a theory, you are going to have to do a better job at explaining what you want other than "Explain this, or else your theory fails".
But I know exactly what you are, you don't have to explain anything to me. So please continue on with the fruitful discussion you are having.
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The Subconscious can explain everything. The Subconscious can make you believe he's not there, but he's always there, lying to you constantly. All Hail the Subconscious!
Round Earthers... what a laugh.
So Francois... If I got high on DXM or Ex... and I saw some freaky stuff, like dancing trees, or a smiling moon... does that mean that what I saw was real and always there to begin with? I could run around afterwards telling everyone about what I saw, but the truth is, it never existed anywhere but in my own mind. Which is where my subconscience resides.
Just because you "see" something doesn't make it true. That's why we call them optical illusions, and also why we use actual facts, logic, science, and reason to explain what is really going on.
In an "optical illusion," you have to use your senses in order to show that it IS an illusion in the first place. So your principle that "seeing does not ensure truth" means that you cannot prove it is an illusion in the first place. You have just defeated yourself.
Have a nice day, troll.
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In an "optical illusion," you have to use your senses in order to show that it IS an illusion in the first place.
Argument: You're retarded.
Proof: You just defeated yourself; To see the true shape of the earth, you use your senses to "see" what appears to be flat. Does this mean that you automatically believe it to be flat? The same applies to wind. Just because you cant see it, doesn't mean it isn't real. (Ignore the fact about feeling it blow. I'm talking strictly eyesight.) So to realize the truth, you would need to use more than your senses, right? Like science, mathematics, etc. Tools to help the mind understand what it is that's really going on. This applies to both an "optical illusion" and what you see when you look out your window at a "flat earth".
Also, I'm not a troll. Just because I actually put some thought into something, which defeats your puny little logic, and shuts down your one sentence posts doesn't make me a troll. I've been here far longer than you, and I've made much more of a contribution to both FET and RET. Which is the exact opposite of what a troll does. If anyone here is trolling, it's you, sir.
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you are the one who says the earth's shape is an optical illusion. not me. i say it's a belief system.
get off this board, troll.
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My favourite troll...Francois!
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Zut alors!
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My favourite troll...Francois!
Get off this board.
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In reply to the original question, that is a .gif animation of an optical illusion, which doesn't actually work as an optical illusion, as the poles are at different heights, thus you could make one in real life, therefore it's hardly actually an illusion. However, I cannot see how the hell that proves the Earth is not round. Even if I try and let my subconscious take over my thoughts.
The FE'ers' arguments all seem to be fatally flawed...
Go look at the horizon.
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In reply to the original question, that is a .gif animation of an optical illusion, which doesn't actually work as an optical illusion, as the poles are at different heights, thus you could make one in real life, therefore it's hardly actually an illusion. However, I cannot see how the hell that proves the Earth is not round. Even if I try and let my subconscious take over my thoughts.
The FE'ers' arguments all seem to be fatally flawed...
Go look at the horizon.
to think they think im the drug user ::)
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Hey!
I never said anyone was on drugs.
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francois despises me for being a stoner :(
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Don't take it personally, Francois just despises everyone
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you are the one who says the earth's shape is an optical illusion. not me. i say it's a belief system.
get off this board, troll.
Both theories are a "belief system" in one sense or another. The difference between you and I is that although I believe in RET, I am completely open to the possibility of a flat Earth, and am not so zealotus about RET as you make yourself out to be when you talk about FET.
Stop calling me a troll every time I 1-up you. It's not my fault you can't take the facts.
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best just to ignore him hara Taiki, he's a berk
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best just to ignore him hara Taiki, he's a berk
May be true, but what fun would it be not insulting his intelligence in an intellectual manner? I'm not trolling, nor am I outright insulting him. Therefore he would eat his own words, or resort to calling me a sociopath again. ::)
Basically, the truth is, I am a fence sitter, and he doesn't like it, so he'll resort to alternative methods which involve little creativity or facts. ;)
Prove me wrong, Francoise.
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He can't handle your intellectual manner. You sociopath ;D
I'm convinced he's just messing with us though, no one could seriously believe the things he believes. Flat Earth is believable - Pureland and seven suns and Blonko the explorer...much less believable.
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He can't handle your intellectual manner. You sociopath ;D
I'm convinced he's just messing with us though, no one could seriously believe the things he believes. Flat Earth is believable - Pureland and seven suns and Blonko the explorer...much less believable.
8)
I've been convinced about him in that manner since I came back to the board recently.
Flat earth is entirely believable... I sit the fence though, so I get to be DA. ;)
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Problem is some of the new people assume he represents the FE'ers...
I was sitting on the fence, but then someone shook it and I fell off.
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Zut alors!
I lmao.
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Problem is some of the new people assume he represents the FE'ers...
I was sitting on the fence, but then someone shook it and I fell off.
And which side did you fall on?
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Well the fence was on top of the ice wall...I fell into space
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I wouldn't say knowing the Earth is round is a "belief" system.
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Well the fence was on top of the ice wall...I fell into space
You sure the guards didn't push you? I hear they can be mean.
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They were probably the ones shaking it
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Man, Frankis, if there's one thing that I've noticed about all your posts, it's that you're just a huge jerk. All you do is insult people, tell them to get off public forums that were made specifically for them, and call people trolls. Regardless of your beliefs, you're just not a good person. You sound like a rotten, withered, lonely man who has to troll forums insulting people from the safety of his computer chair. Seriously, go out there and so something. If you're that fervent in your beliefs, gather some proof and write a book. Start your flat earth empire. Just stop being a sad little man.
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I already have a Flat Earth empire. It's at http://www.graveyardofthegods.com/forum
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LOL yeah, that frankis guy has no real identity. He just tries to extrapolate on what Tom Bishop says. I bet he secretly has a crush on him. Woudln't surprise me, given the amount of ass-licking he does to Bishop on the other posts.
In all, Frankis is an embarrassment even to flat earthers!
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LOL yeah, that frankis guy has no real identity. He just tries to extrapolate on what Tom Bishop says. I bet he secretly has a crush on him. Woudln't surprise me, given the amount of ass-licking he does to Bishop on the other posts.
In all, Frankis is an embarrassment even to flat earthers!
An embarrassment to society...
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I already have a Flat Earth empire. It's at http://www.graveyardofthegods.com/forum
Makes you the "big man on campus" now, doesn't it?
Go read the FAQ, stop making up your own crap. Start following the real FET if you want to get anywhere. You're just a clone of Tom Bishop. One is enough, we don't need a second.
I was a Flat Earther before I met Tom Bishop. I will report you for libel.
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LOL, report someone for libel!? Who do you think you are? Wait, don't answer, I'll tell you. You are absolutely nothing, because you contribute nothing to society or anybody around you.
Not once have you described WHY the world should be flat. You just call everybody else the idiot, because you're totally delusional.
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I already have a Flat Earth empire. It's at http://www.graveyardofthegods.com/forum
Makes you the "big man on campus" now, doesn't it?
Go read the FAQ, stop making up your own crap. Start following the real FET if you want to get anywhere. You're just a clone of Tom Bishop. One is enough, we don't need a second.
I was a Flat Earther before I met Tom Bishop. I will report you for libel.
Right.
Good luck with that.
No, seriously.