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Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« on: November 19, 2011, 01:37:49 AM »
Here at college, it seems lots of people are now making depressing realizations. I'm finding myself playing therapist, a role which I probably suck at because it is also deeply rooted in emotions.

A friend told me that everything is hopeless because there is no meaning to anything. [/jist of it]

I contend that things can't be "hopeless" without meaning, because hope (or lack thereof), places meaning in the result. It is inherent.

Either:
- Nothing matters AND nothing mattering also doesn't matter.
Or:
- Things matter.

If you include "human-assigned-meaning" into an objective problem you confirm its equal validity. That is, subjective meaning is every bit as valid as objective meaning to that person. Ironic fix, huh? ;)
« Last Edit: November 25, 2011, 10:56:43 AM by ﮎingulaЯiτy »
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 03:52:34 AM »
Summary:
There is no meaning of life because it's meaningless from a universal standpoint.
Therefore you are free to make up whatever meaning you want. So go nuts and find your own meaning.

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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 08:18:21 AM »
Does "objectivity" exist? What does it mean for something to be "objective"? How do you show that something is "objective"?
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 10:09:39 AM »
Does "objectivity" exist? What does it mean for something to be "objective"? How do you show that something is "objective"?
Objective means that it is an object (physical or otherwise), definitive as that object and only that object. For example, my do is a dog no matter who  or what observes it, therefore its classification as a dog is objective.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 01:09:45 PM »
Does "objectivity" exist? What does it mean for something to be "objective"? How do you show that something is "objective"?
Objective means that it is an object (physical or otherwise), definitive as that object and only that object. For example, my do is a dog no matter who  or what observes it, therefore its classification as a dog is objective.

Not true. I can classify it as a wolf, because most dogs can breed with wolves and are therefore technically the same species.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 03:55:51 AM »
Why is it depressing to realise that you're free to find you own meanings, to make life worth living for you, rather than being forced into a role imposed on you by another power?

Life is as meaningful as you make it. The only meaningless life is a life spent waiting for someone to give it meaning.

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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 03:58:36 AM »
Does "objectivity" exist? What does it mean for something to be "objective"? How do you show that something is "objective"?
Objective means that it is an object (physical or otherwise), definitive as that object and only that object. For example, my do is a dog no matter who  or what observes it, therefore its classification as a dog is objective.

How do you know it manifests itself as a dog to other people? How do you know other people can see it at all? How do you know it exists? For that matter, how do you know you exist?

What we call "objectivity" is merely the subjective judgments we are least uncertain of.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 05:00:47 AM »
14. I have seen all the works that are done under the sun;and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 10:15:46 AM »
Does "objectivity" exist? What does it mean for something to be "objective"? How do you show that something is "objective"?
Objective means that it is an object (physical or otherwise), definitive as that object and only that object. For example, my do is a dog no matter who  or what observes it, therefore its classification as a dog is objective.

How do you know it manifests itself as a dog to other people? How do you know other people can see it at all? How do you know it exists? For that matter, how do you know you exist?

What we call "objectivity" is merely the subjective judgments we are least uncertain of.
Fair enough. essentially, we have concluded that what constitutes objective is subjective. Well done, chaps.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 11:46:59 AM »
Why is it depressing to realise that you're free to find you own meanings, to make life worth living for you, rather than being forced into a role imposed on you by another power?

Life is as meaningful as you make it. The only meaningless life is a life spent waiting for someone to give it meaning.

You deluding yourself into thinking you're important doesn't mean you are.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2011, 12:01:37 PM »
I came to the depressing realization at college my smoothie isn't smooth.

Heres some pics to show it happened(in b4 pics or it didn't happen):


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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2011, 12:15:04 PM »
There are two whole fucking strawberries and a raspberry.

Bullshit.
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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 02:21:18 AM »
Why is it depressing to realise that you're free to find you own meanings, to make life worth living for you, rather than being forced into a role imposed on you by another power?

Life is as meaningful as you make it. The only meaningless life is a life spent waiting for someone to give it meaning.

You deluding yourself into thinking you're important doesn't mean you are.

Who said anything about importance? Dedicate your life to your family or making the world better or learning as much as you can, finding happiness, finding inner peace, becoming successful, creating art, whatever it is that gives your life meaning and worth, just don't waste your life waiting for someone else to impose a meaning on you.

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 10:30:33 AM »
Believing what you're doing is significant only makes it significant to yourself. I suppose it's better and will lead to happier life than "life has no meaning so I'll just do nothing," but it actually doesn't make your life or existence meaningful.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2011, 11:54:53 AM »
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Believing what you're doing is significant only makes it significant to yourself

It's the only person you need to justify your significance to.

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Re: Objective versus Subjective - Meaning of Life
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2011, 05:25:21 PM »
People that demand meaning from life are doomed to be miserable. Why does it matter if life has a meaning? If you are doing exactly what you want to be doing then why do you care what you're supposed to be doing?

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2011, 08:31:19 PM »
Why is it depressing to realise that you're free to find you own meanings, to make life worth living for you, rather than being forced into a role imposed on you by another power?

Life is as meaningful as you make it. The only meaningless life is a life spent waiting for someone to give it meaning.

You deluding yourself into thinking you're important doesn't mean you are.

Who said anything about importance? Dedicate your life to your family or making the world better or learning as much as you can, finding happiness, finding inner peace, becoming successful, creating art, whatever it is that gives your life meaning and worth, just don't waste your life waiting for someone else to impose a meaning on you.
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