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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2010, 06:35:03 PM »
Do you know what the Allais or Jeverdan-Rusu-Antonescu effect are?
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2010, 06:44:42 PM »
Do you know what the Allais or Jeverdan-Rusu-Antonescu effect are?
Yes. Do you have a scientist you concludes that there is such an effect?
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2010, 06:49:36 PM »
Certainly Maurice Allais did. As do several people who have written papers confirming the effect.

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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2010, 07:00:35 PM »
Certainly Maurice Allais did. As do several people who have written papers confirming the effect.
You're confusing the scientific effort to report observations with the scientific analysis of the data. We need enough well-designed, well-recorded variances linked with the eclipse (or some other alignment) to make the conclusion.

Pointing us to an observation that is (marginally) significant doesn't show the conclusion, especially with NASA and NIST saying that they don't see the variation.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2010, 07:12:40 PM »
The Foucault Pendulum, which tracks the Earth's rotation, has exhibited peculiar movements during the time of a solar eclipse. These movements have been known for some 50 years. However, so far no explanation has been presented to explain the movements.


The question is why is it occurring?

Incidentally, NASA never released the 1999 data on the worldwide experiment(s). Why is that? Dr. David Noever (Rhodes scholar, and a leading theoretical physicist concerning gravity for NASA who headed the experiment) later left NASA after the results have disappeared -- Why?
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2010, 07:27:41 PM »
The Foucault Pendulum, which tracks the Earth's rotation, has exhibited peculiar movements during the time of a solar eclipse. These movements have been known for some 50 years. However, so far no explanation has been presented to explain the movements.


The question is why is it occurring?

Incidentally, NASA never released the 1999 data on the worldwide experiment(s). Why is that? Dr. David Noever (Rhodes scholar, and a leading theoretical physicist concerning gravity for NASA who headed the experiment) later left NASA after the results have disappeared -- Why?
No, the question is: is it occurring?

I already provided the email on the 1999 data. Clearly it's inconclusive.

I infer Noever found that he didn't have anything worth publishing.

Why don't you friend Dr. David Noever on Facebook and ask him why he left NASA?

By the way, I looked over his publications. He never was a leading theoretical physicist concerning gravity for NASA. Will you please stop making things up?
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2010, 07:48:14 PM »
The article which you "cited" was written before the experiment. How, pray tell did you provide the data? It only proves you didn't read the article.

Noever has a doctorate from Oxford in theoretical physics. He headed the Allais experiment in 1999. He gave interviews on gravitational sheilding, and according to Wired, "He seemed to be the key figure trying to replicate Podkletnov's work."  Podkletnov being Dr Yevgeny Podkletnov who claims to have invented an anti-gravity device.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2010, 08:06:59 PM »
The article which you "cited" was written before the experiment. How, pray tell did you provide the data? It only proves you didn't read the article.

Noever has a doctorate from Oxford in theoretical physics. He headed the Allais experiment in 1999. He gave interviews on gravitational sheilding, and according to Wired, "He seemed to be the key figure trying to replicate Podkletnov's work."  Podkletnov being Dr Yevgeny Podkletnov who claims to have invented an anti-gravity device.
No, the email was after the experiments. Do pay attention.

Good news REers! We have definitive evidence that the effect the Ski would have us believe does not exist. Please read this email from one of the leading researchers to see that the results from the 1999 eclipse were lackluster. There clearly is not enough evidence to support Ski.

Please reference: http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/bl...oeverpaper.doc. Along with several marginal results, we read that he heard of:

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a definitive 'null' result from the Max Planck Institute using an atomic clock during the eclipse, which saw no significant deviations from normal
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So you want to quote wired.com as a scientific source? Okay, you lose all credibility.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2010, 08:13:34 PM »
Perhaps you'd be good enough to provide a working link for the email.


If you're suggesting Wired did not interview Dr. Noever and meet him at the lab exploring various anti-gravity devices NASA had constructed, please let me know your reasons for doing so.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2010, 08:32:06 PM »
Perhaps you'd be good enough to provide a working link for the email.


If you're suggesting Wired did not interview Dr. Noever and meet him at the lab exploring various anti-gravity devices NASA had constructed, please let me know your reasons for doing so.
Try: http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/blackprior/noever/noeverpaper.doc.

I'm not suggesting that. I am saying that Wired is not a scientific journal.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2010, 08:52:11 PM »
More information from the site:

http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/blackprior/zhou/zhou-3.pdf

It's a treasure trove of Allais information:

Pendulums were set up in various countries, with some in the path of the eclipse and others not. Some of the preliminary results are interesting.

Video cameras taped the pendulum movements before, during and after the solar eclipse. Although no change was viewed in the pendulums outside of the eclipse path, two different sites in Europe revealed exciting results. These researchers, which were inside the path of the eclipse, discovered a change in the pendulum's path. If the results are correct, then another mystery was just created. Why would gravity change only in the areas under the eclipse' path?

"We haven't looked at their videos in detail yet, and we're not going to reach any conclusions just by eyeballing them," says Koczor, who's trying to organize the mountains of data. "If, in fact, pendulums go crazy during eclipses it suggests we don't really have an understanding of gravity and the intersection of different bodies."

Koczor says much of the data still needs to be analyzed, but the current results have stumped the scientific community. 

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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2010, 09:42:10 PM »
More information from the site:

http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/blackprior/zhou/zhou-3.pdf

It's a treasure trove of Allais information:

Pendulums were set up in various countries, with some in the path of the eclipse and others not. Some of the preliminary results are interesting.

Video cameras taped the pendulum movements before, during and after the solar eclipse. Although no change was viewed in the pendulums outside of the eclipse path, two different sites in Europe revealed exciting results. These researchers, which were inside the path of the eclipse, discovered a change in the pendulum's path. If the results are correct, then another mystery was just created. Why would gravity change only in the areas under the eclipse' path?

"We haven't looked at their videos in detail yet, and we're not going to reach any conclusions just by eyeballing them," says Koczor, who's trying to organize the mountains of data. "If, in fact, pendulums go crazy during eclipses it suggests we don't really have an understanding of gravity and the intersection of different bodies."

Koczor says much of the data still needs to be analyzed, but the current results have stumped the scientific community. 


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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2010, 10:14:18 PM »
the current results have stumped the scientific community




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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2010, 10:26:46 PM »
the current results have stumped the scientific community


So? Did you forget that applying the Scientific Method a scientist doesn't mind getting stumped? But the Scientific Community treats as a crackpot anyone who fails to get verifiable objective evidence before making conclusions.

For example, I didn't take your claim that you saw people playing Frisbee across Monterey Bay with your magical telescope as anything more than a lie since no one could reproduce it.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2010, 12:48:25 AM »
More information from the site:

http://home.t01.itscom.net/allais/blackprior/zhou/zhou-3.pdf

It's a treasure trove of Allais information:

Pendulums were set up in various countries, with some in the path of the eclipse and others not. Some of the preliminary results are interesting.

Video cameras taped the pendulum movements before, during and after the solar eclipse. Although no change was viewed in the pendulums outside of the eclipse path, two different sites in Europe revealed exciting results. These researchers, which were inside the path of the eclipse, discovered a change in the pendulum's path. If the results are correct, then another mystery was just created. Why would gravity change only in the areas under the eclipse' path?

"We haven't looked at their videos in detail yet, and we're not going to reach any conclusions just by eyeballing them," says Koczor, who's trying to organize the mountains of data. "If, in fact, pendulums go crazy during eclipses it suggests we don't really have an understanding of gravity and the intersection of different bodies."

Koczor says much of the data still needs to be analyzed, but the current results have stumped the scientific community. 



 And what the conclusion is? Only that something during the eclipse affects the pendulum. We don't know what and it absolutely doesn't tell us that the earth isn't rotating. You can go on and on about that effect but the fact is that it doesn't disprove the rotating Earth.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2010, 06:40:46 AM »
What we know is that the RET is full of anomolies and inconsistencies, however high & mighty its advocates behave.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2010, 07:12:56 AM »
What we know is that the RET is full of anomolies and inconsistencies, however high & mighty its advocates behave.
 Who has ever claimed that its perfect and we know absolutely all about it? But with its anomalies and inconsistencies it at least has a map and the working model. Which as we all know the FET is never going to get.

 EDIT: As for the Coriolis force/effect let's not make it about the Earth shape for a moment.  Coriolis force is there, its a fact. Instead of bitching about it wouldn't it be better if the FE side incorporates it in its models and tries to explain it.
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http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2010, 08:12:33 AM »
What we know is that the RET is full of anomolies and inconsistencies, however high & mighty its advocates behave.

However no one has shown that those "anomolies" and inconsistencies conclusively indicate that the earth is flat.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2010, 11:40:36 AM »
What we know is that the RET is full of anomolies and inconsistencies, however high & mighty its advocates behave.

At least RET has a reasonable and consistent model for sunrises and sunsets.  Let me know when FET decides once and for all if it's because of bendy light, aetherific edification or a creative interpretation of perspective.
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Re: Given two threads, we now know that the Earth is round
« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2010, 12:46:11 PM »
At least RET has a reasonable and consistent model for sunrises and sunsets.  Let me know when FET decides once and for all if it's because of bendy light, aetherific edification or a creative interpretation of perspective.


This thread is not about how FET is no more divided than RET. It is about the Coriolis force, and everyone here seems to be of the view that the RET explanation is full of anomolies. I therefore submit that the RE explanation is probably wrong, and at least incomplete (as RE'ers have admitted). You guys should therefore stop bringing it up like it's some kind of RE sucess story.
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