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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2008, 11:12:41 PM »
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The map is irrelevant here. If the north pole is the centre of a disc, then going away from it increases the circumferential distances.

You would need to circumnavigate the entire earth at deep south latitude. Testing the distance between Australia and South America only tells us the distance between Australia and South America and nothing more.



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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2008, 11:29:09 PM »
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The map is irrelevant here. If the north pole is the centre of a disc, then going away from it increases the circumferential distances.
You would need to circumnavigate the entire earth at deep south latitude. Testing the distance between Australia and South America only tells us the distance between Australia and South America and nothing more.
There plenty of ships going:
- from Australia to South America
- from South America to South Africa
- from South Africa to Australia
The additional distance (as compared to RET) has to be noticeable on at least one of these routes. And yet no one ever noticed it?

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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2008, 11:44:46 PM »
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There plenty of ships going:
- from Australia to South America
- from South America to South Africa
- from South Africa to Australia

Those ships are all traveling along the same route between south america, south africa, and australia. No one is taking the scenic route across the pacific when traveling from south america to australia.



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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 12:07:42 AM »
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There plenty of ships going:
- from Australia to South America
- from South America to South Africa
- from South Africa to Australia

Those ships are all traveling along the same route between south america, south africa, and australia.

And if this route was longer than in RE they would easily notice it.

No one is taking the scenic route across the pacific when traveling from south america to australia.

What do you mean by "scenic route"?

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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 01:02:02 AM »
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And if this route was longer than in RE they would easily notice it.

It is longer in RE theory. That's why no one takes it.



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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 03:53:23 AM »
Those ships are all traveling along the same route between south america, south africa, and australia.
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And if this route was longer than in RE they would easily notice it.
It is longer in RE theory. That's why no one takes it.
You are contradicting yourself. First you say all ships take this route, now you say no one takes it.

To clarify, in the quote above I mean:
And if this route was longer in reality than in RE they would easily notice it.

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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 04:00:00 AM »
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You are contradicting yourself. First you say all ships take this route, now you say no one takes it.

No one takes the long route across the Pacific. All international trade between South America, Africa, and Australia is done along the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.

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And if this route was longer in reality than in RE they would easily notice it.

It's not longer. The south pacific ocean is longer.



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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2008, 04:57:08 AM »
No one takes the long route across the Pacific. All international trade between South America, Africa, and Australia is done along the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.
You claim that all ships from Australia to Chile head west trough Indian Ocean and Atlantic?

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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2008, 05:24:40 AM »
We are also forgeting the annual round the world yaught race via the Southern ocean.
Round the World, non stop, westabout, singlehanded 21760 NM 
Bruno Peyron, 2005, set current windpowered circumnavigation record, 50 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes, aboard maxi catamaran Orange II
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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2008, 09:10:15 AM »
No one takes the long route across the Pacific. All international trade between South America, Africa, and Australia is done along the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.


It looks like Quantas is taking the "long" route across the south Pacific:
http://www.qantas.com.au/content/dyn/routemaps/int/index
South Pacific route:
Sydney -> Buenos Aires : 13h
Indian Ocean, Atlantic route:
Sydney -> Johannesburg : 14h + Johannesburg -> Buenos Aires : 9.5h = 23.5h

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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2008, 10:02:43 PM »
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Strange how RET has accurate, usable maps that show this. Maybe because they show the true shape and size of Earth perhaps

There's no such thing as a map which can create an accurate portrayal of a globe. Have you even seen the size of Greenland on a Mercator map?

Yes I have.  Have you seen the scale of a Mercator projection map?  You should notice that the scale changes depending on the latitude.  Therefore the portrayal of Greenland is accurate.
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Re: Is Australia bigger than USA?
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2008, 04:55:48 PM »
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Carl Friedrich Gauss's Theorema Egregium proved that a sphere cannot be represented on a plane without distortion. Since any method of representing a sphere's surface on a plane is a map projection, all map projections distort. Every distinct map projection distorts in a distinct way. The study of map projections is the characterization of these distortions.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection

That being said, the FET has to make different predictions. Can't any of you guys who do believe the theory go around measuring the world? It would be absolutely awesome to find out that the FET theory is indeed correct.

Also, the distance problem seems to be a bit more noticeble when it comes to daylight time. The FET, from what I've read, makes very different predictions for the day time for southern countries. For example, argentina, during a equinox, would NOT be receinving 12h of daylight. As a matter of fact, I challenge anyone here to give any reasonable explanation on how could EVERY country in the world get EXACLY 12h of daylight as it happens twice a year.

Not only that, but you must also remember that there are regular aircraft lines on the south hemisphere, say, from australia to argentina, or from brazil to south africa. Now, the important thing to remember is that most airplanes cannot travel above the sound speed and they usually travel quite close to it. Therefore, if the distances are indeed inacurate, the airplanes would have to break the sound barrier which is IMPOSSIBLE. Even on short flights on the south, say regional flights in argentina, australia or new zeland, the airplanes would have to break the sound barrier. Conspiracy is simply not an option here because it would involve millions of people (myself included).
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